Philosophy

ZombieHorde

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26. Apprehension is one aspect of the imagination.

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 06:29 AM

Nov 2014

Symbols don't have inherent meanings. We have to imagine to interpret their meanings. I think memory is a function if the imagination.

There is a language called English, but you claimed the people were English. How do we detect English as a human trait? Is English a property of matter?

"There was violence."
Yes, that's another description of the events, and the violence was objective fact.

We agree on this.

"People were walking on atoms that were grouped in a way that we call dirt, grass, rocks, etc."
Yes, the land being colonized was real, just as were the colonizers. That you want to call that land "atoms" is your predilection but is no more valid than others who call dirt 'dirt'.

My description here was to avoid using the social construct of countries, states, etc.

"the laws were strictly imaginary"
In my *opinion* you are again misusing the term "imaginary". Reciting a meme. But then, my opinion is just imaginary (right?) and so not real? Not composed of your "atoms"?

A thought of a unicorn is a real thought, even if unicorns are not real. So your opinion is a real opinion.

Where do the laws exist? I think they exist solely within the imagination.

What if instead of saying things like "laws and countries only exist within the imagination," I said they exist "solely within the mind?" Perhaps my understanding of the imagination doesn't match the psychiatric understanding. If we agree they exist within the mind, then we would know which scientific discipline to use to examine the situation.

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Is it possible to exist outside ideology? [View all] Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 OP

I think ZombieHorde Jun 2014 #1

Chán Buddhism as developed by the Chinese is a practice delrem Jul 2014 #2

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There is no living outside Ideology. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #4

how do you know that? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #5

Personal experience and scientific logic...a potent combination. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #6

How do you define the word "ideology." ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #7

Definition. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #8

That definition is based on imaginary things. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #9

...and yet youre on the "Democratic" Underground site....;) Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #10

Anything that exists only within the imagination is strictly imaginary. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #11

Government actions are much more real than Snape's Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #12

You seem to be conflating three different things. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #15

I didn't conflate anything. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #16

I agree human behavior relates to objects, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #17

Yes, the Nazis were real. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #18

Why aren't you answering my questions? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #19

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #20

Do you equate "objectively real" with "physically real"? delrem Nov 2014 #22

Lots of things going on in this post. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #24

This is difficult to take seriously. delrem Nov 2014 #25

Apprehension is one aspect of the imagination. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #26

No. delrem Nov 2014 #27

I did not say they were the same. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #28

symbols are concrete. nt delrem Nov 2014 #29

Where do laws exist? nt ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #30

You mean like the laws of motion, of gravity, or like the laws of England? delrem Nov 2014 #31

I am talking about the laws of governments. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #32

Thank you. delrem Nov 2014 #33

Althusser's is in fact a reduction, not more complex. FigTree Jul 2017 #36

everyone's personal experience is different noiretextatique Oct 2014 #13

Yes it is. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #14

Why do you think a ch'an Buddhist should submit to your criterion of "scientific proof"? nt delrem Nov 2014 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #35

I thought Pike Bishop was trolling me, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #34

Live or Exist davidclay123 Aug 2017 #37

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I Don't think so imsarvan May 2018 #39

Mind vs brain lounge_jam Oct 2018 #40