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Manifestor_of_Light

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4. They'll never apologize.

Mon Sep 29, 2014, 12:44 PM

Sep 2014

They don't even realize they are hurting people with their pernicious doctrine of original sin. As far as I can tell, ALL Christian churches believe in original sin and therefore they are putting you down (without even knowing you as a person) just because you are breathing.

I have yet to discover a Christian church that does NOT believe in original sin, because if you don't have original sin you don't need to be saved by the death of Jesus in substitutionary atonement. It's very primitive bronze age thinking, like an animal sacrifice, but millions believe it, because it's what they've been taught, and it's reinforced every day in our society.

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From slavery to sexism, how can Christians make amends for social sins? [View all] hrmjustin Sep 2014 OP

Stop the behavior. Adsos Letter Sep 2014 #1

I wish preachers would apologize to me Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #2

Well i am sorry you had bad experiences with the church. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #3

They'll never apologize. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #4

Well it is all about emphasis. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #5

What do you mean by creationism? Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #6

I mean that we don't believe adam and eve actually existed. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #7

I have found no definition of creationism that includes Adam and Eve never existed. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #8

Where did you get the idea that creationism means "We don't believe that Adam and Eve existed?" hrmjustin Sep 2014 #9

Is your church full of apostates? Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #10

lol! hrmjustin Sep 2014 #11

Spong is quite clear okasha Sep 2014 #12

Didn't see it written anywhere, so I did not know. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #13

Well i take the bible seriously but i undersyand it was written in the context hrmjustin Sep 2014 #14

Here: rug Oct 2014 #21

Mormons don't believe in Original Sin el_bryanto Oct 2014 #17

well then you're still fallen without Jesus. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #18

I don't really understand that perspective. el_bryanto Oct 2014 #22

I said nothing about you personally. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #23

But I am a sinner el_bryanto Oct 2014 #24

Because the god of the bible is a psychopathic mass murderer. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #25

So you would characterize practitioners of Abrahamic faiths - i.e. Jews, Muslims, and Christians el_bryanto Oct 2014 #26

Why don't you read the bible and find out about that god? Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #27

I have read the Bible actually - some of the books several times el_bryanto Oct 2014 #28

"The word of God"? Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #29

You didn't answer my question I note - what faith do you practice? el_bryanto Oct 2014 #30

My faith is irrelevant to an answer to a question I asked. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #31

boy this does feel familiar - almost like . . . being in the religion forum. el_bryanto Oct 2014 #32

I did not insult your beliefs. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #33

I believe in the life, ministry, crucifixion, resurrection, and divinity of Jesus Christ. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #34

You're the first person that's given me any answer to the question. Thank you. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #37

I believe in a afterlife that all are called to. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #39

What is salvation? Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #42

I believe that the events of Jesus's life is real. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #44

Hmmmmm - do you think your obvious disdain for their beliefs might influence how they el_bryanto Oct 2014 #35

So how do you apply mass murder and cruelty by God as a moral lesson for your situations? Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #43

What a respectful question el_bryanto Oct 2014 #46

It is the bible that YOU use as a moral guide. That's why I'm asking. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #47

Asking if someone believe's that their holy work excuses and encourages mass murder is reasonable? el_bryanto Oct 2014 #48

I'm asking how do you interpret that evil that god does in your bible. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #49

I'm glad you are satisfied that I jumped through that particular hoop. el_bryanto Oct 2014 #51

"jumped through that particular hoop"? Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #52

Saw that post in another forum. Very inspiring and inspirational el_bryanto Oct 2014 #36

So you're spying on those bad atheists. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #38

I did answer your question - but you just don't like the answer el_bryanto Oct 2014 #40

I don't have to spy on them. They're everywhere. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #41

I did answer your question, you then asked an insulting follow up question el_bryanto Oct 2014 #45

Most of the values are pretty horrible. Like telling you you must accept Jesus or else. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #15

I think this is silly goldent Sep 2014 #16

Yes. We all make mistakes. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #19

To me original sin is some abstract theological concept goldent Oct 2014 #20

kicking. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #50