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AtheistCrusader

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Reply to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:00 PM

Oct 2014

"I don't believe your god exists"
"Your god does not exist."

These two sentences are very different. The first says what I think about a claim (god exists). It says I don't believe the claim. It doesn't say your god doesn't exist. It says I don't believe your claim that said god exists.

The second statement is a positive claim. It isn't a statement about what you said or what you believe, it is a statement about your god itself, in the negative. That second claim carries burden of proof. It IS equal to the positive claim 'XYZ god(s) exist'.

As I said, that's why I don't use it. (keeping in mind the exceptions I mentioned.)

"I don't believe your god exists" is absolutely not equal in burden to "god exists".

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Why I'd Still Believe In God Even if the Bible Was a Fairytale [View all] hrmjustin Oct 2014 OP

Who created God? GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #1

We do not know. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #2

Who said God needed to be created? rug Oct 2014 #5

That is a good point. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #6

These comments all boil down to trying to empty a glass of air with a spoon. rug Oct 2014 #7

lol i suppose so. i thought the article was interesting. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #8

Yes it is. rug Oct 2014 #9

It is a question for the ages. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #10

In the meantime, they're using a measuring rod to measure what can't be measured. rug Oct 2014 #11

Well some people are just as certain there is no God as those who say there is. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #12

I think one could take a reasonable stab via probability. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #33

Or the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #28

! rug Oct 2014 #30

I understand the jibe but... AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #34

Funny you mention that. rug Oct 2014 #35

The claim makes logical sense to me. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #36

There a lot of them. rug Oct 2014 #38

Atheism/agnosticism dangin Oct 2014 #3

It is all a hope that there is something more after this life. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #4

Faith dangin Oct 2014 #13

As host of this room I ask you to self-delete your comment and reread the sop of this room. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #14

Remaining civil dangin Oct 2014 #15

Here is the sop. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #16

self delete beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #17

I'm never here dangin Oct 2014 #18

I am not saying you have to leave. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #19

self delete beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #20

I apologize dangin Oct 2014 #21

No worries and no great offense. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #22

self delete beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #23

Saying that the DSM calls faith a delusion Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #29

Thanks, that's the better way to handle this. rug Oct 2014 #24

self delete beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #25

Strongly disagree with the premise of this article. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #26

The bit you quote Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #31

That would be a positive claim. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #32

You are making a claim, "God does not exist" Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #37

You completely misunderstood everything I just said, and reversed the meaning. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #39

Here. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #40

So you admit that YOU do make the positive claim Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #41

Some do. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #42

Also from the article edgineered Oct 2014 #27