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cbayer

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64. Very interesting take on that. One I had not considered.

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:58 PM

Nov 2014

I would like to see this meme go away. It's hurtful and only used to demean others.

I appreciate your insights into the whole debate.

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The deluded argument. [View all] hrmjustin Nov 2014 OP

I don't hold very much hope for finding common ground with such a narrow and judgmental POV NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #1

Yes! I think several who make this argument enjoy making it and don't care about any feelings they hrmjustin Nov 2014 #12

You have been known to make statements about the mental health of atheists. cbayer Nov 2014 #36

Actually, I think a review of my replies of that nature.... NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #44

I don't recall them exactly, but I am sure you are portraying the posts cbayer Nov 2014 #46

If I wanted to combat this argument ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #2

Thank you and welcome to the interfaith room my friend. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #13

I like this, but there is a potential flaw I would ask that you address. cbayer Nov 2014 #37

"Delusional is believing in something for which there is not evidence" ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #50

Elegant. rug Nov 2014 #54

That is generally the approach I take. cbayer Nov 2014 #56

"revert to a position that they are using delusional in a colloquial, not clinical, way" ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #63

Very interesting take on that. One I had not considered. cbayer Nov 2014 #64

Ah, yes, the colloquial definition, as opposed to the formal one Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #87

I don't feel any need to combat such arguments. It's merely an opinion, and No Vested Interest Nov 2014 #3

Part of me agrees because I know I can't change opinions. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #14

Simple question. bvf Nov 2014 #4

Yes, you are. rug Nov 2014 #5

He already took it back. There couldn't be any less good faith here. cbayer Nov 2014 #38

My point is that the once the deluded argument comes than we see the mentally ill argument hrmjustin Nov 2014 #8

So you agree that bvf Nov 2014 #31

Yes they are distinct but I will be honest and say I don't care for either argument. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #32

No, of course you don't. rug Nov 2014 #33

It would depend on how it is used el_bryanto Nov 2014 #10

I got the same feeling that there was at least one who made this mentally ill argument that would hrmjustin Nov 2014 #15

This is completely laughable. You have taken a very clear position on this question. cbayer Nov 2014 #34

It's a weak argument and boils down to simple name-calling. rug Nov 2014 #6

"A delusion is a psychiatric disorder caused by a biological process." AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #7

I think you also have to acknowledge that some atheists are using the term el_bryanto Nov 2014 #11

Some may be. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #28

Some may be? Well i suppose the sins of ones own side are a lot harder to see. nt el_bryanto Nov 2014 #30

The only nonclinical definition is an insult. rug Nov 2014 #29

It is school yard stuff designed to hurt. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #16

This gets to the limits of an interfaith discussion el_bryanto Nov 2014 #18

I believe they should be able to say that as well but not in this room, lol. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #19

Well that's the limits of interfaith, as I stated above el_bryanto Nov 2014 #20

Yes this room is rather limiting in some ways but I kind if like that way. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #21

If you can't respect a belief you consider "wrong," okasha Nov 2014 #48

I am very friendly with a Sunni Muslim Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #88

I know there is no way to 'police' it but TM99 Nov 2014 #22

Comparing it to both delusion and mental illness i agree el_bryanto Nov 2014 #26

I still disagree. TM99 Nov 2014 #27

I think there is some relatively innocuous colloquial use of the term by some members. cbayer Nov 2014 #39

I'm going to have to disagree. okasha Nov 2014 #73

I totally agree that some people are completely disingenuous when they claim cbayer Nov 2014 #81

You took the words right off my fingertjps. okasha Nov 2014 #41

It is a purposeful button-pusher. TM99 Nov 2014 #9

Yeah I doubt that we can convince them they are wrong but we can always present the hrmjustin Nov 2014 #17

It is designed to be hurtful. TM99 Nov 2014 #23

yes it needs to be called out more. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #24

I want to clarify something here. cbayer Nov 2014 #40

I think we might have to disagree somewhat on this. TM99 Nov 2014 #42

I agree with everything you say in your first paragraph, except cbayer Nov 2014 #43

We just disagree that's all. TM99 Nov 2014 #61

I think it's ok for us to agree to disagree. cbayer Nov 2014 #62

We may not disagree as much as you think. TM99 Nov 2014 #82

I'm not going to pass judgement on what you are doing other than to cbayer Nov 2014 #83

I respect your position. TM99 Nov 2014 #85

I greatly value your participation here. I hope you know that. cbayer Nov 2014 #86

Thank you. I never doubted it. nt TM99 Nov 2014 #89

In a recent thread of the 14 posters who responded only three responded by saying Leontius Nov 2014 #45

Oh, it's definitely not a small subset of those that responded to that thread cbayer Nov 2014 #47

And do you "diagnose" that the very many people on this site skepticscott Nov 2014 #106

This thread was not about Republicans so there would be no need to mention them. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #107

Host notice that requires your attention. MADem Nov 2014 #108

I didn't read it that way at all... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #109

kick. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #25

Even though I take a tremendous amount of heat for it, I challenge it. cbayer Nov 2014 #35

I agree. okasha Nov 2014 #53

Earning brownie points. He'll be in like Flynn anytime. cbayer Nov 2014 #58

Following a well-trodden path. okasha Nov 2014 #65

Anyone advancing such a position is arguing in bad faith (ad hominem) and can't be Common Sense Party Nov 2014 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author bvf Nov 2014 #51

Believers are not deluded. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #52

Why is he still here? cbayer Nov 2014 #57

I will contact the other hosts immediately. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #60

I wouldn't have so much of an issue but it's a hit and run participation el_bryanto Nov 2014 #66

Absolutely right. And he'll score even more points when he is blocked from here. cbayer Nov 2014 #67

I fully expect to be barred bvf Nov 2014 #93

The first sign of intellectual want is simple name-calling. rug Nov 2014 #98

For the record BVF is banned from this room. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #99

Thank you. He'll be collecting his brownie points and getting his promotion soon. cbayer Nov 2014 #100

I hope it is over. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #101

Banning people is sometimes necessary, particularly cbayer Nov 2014 #102

Thanks. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #103

When they pull this tag-team stunt, okasha Nov 2014 #104

Thanks my friend. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #105

When somebody says that, you'll be the first to know. rug Nov 2014 #55

I think this post is not in keeping with the sop of this room and as a host I remind you that hrmjustin Nov 2014 #59

With all due respect, bvf Nov 2014 #68

I think it best to self delete. Your goat question was not appreciated here. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #69

Done. bvf Nov 2014 #70

This is not an open room. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #71

Noted in full. n/t. bvf Nov 2014 #76

Thank you. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #77

If you want to "argue" you need to go over to the Religion forum. MADem Nov 2014 #72

This is a support group bvf Nov 2014 #78

More of a discussion group where people share experiences and perspectives MADem Nov 2014 #79

You must feel very clever with that one. I hope you don't tire yourself patting yourself on the el_bryanto Nov 2014 #80

Support group? Nice. Is Atheists & Agnostics a support group as well? cbayer Nov 2014 #84

MADem's description, not mine. n/t. bvf Nov 2014 #90

Unless you are speaking of some post somewhere else, kentauros Nov 2014 #91

Thanks for the helpful links. bvf Nov 2014 #92

Well, I see that, no matter what, kentauros Nov 2014 #94

You posted links bvf Nov 2014 #95

In your opinion are believers deluded? el_bryanto Nov 2014 #96

It is also a place that is supposed to be free of disruptive trolling cbayer Nov 2014 #97

Brassieres and athletic supporters are supportive as well! MADem Nov 2014 #111

Thanks for the guffaw! kentauros Nov 2014 #112

Don't skim when you read, it will end in tears. MADem Nov 2014 #110

Perhaps you have confused Interfaitb with the ASAH Group. okasha Nov 2014 #74

kicking. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #75