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pinto

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Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:20 AM Mar 2013

Why a Near-Death Experience Isn’t Proof of Heaven (Sci Amer) [View all]

Interesting, brief piece in the current Scientific American. ~ pinto

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-near-death-experience-isnt-proof-heaven

(Michael Shermer is publisher of Skeptic magazine (http://www.skeptic.com). His book The Believing Brain is now out in paperback.)

Why a Near-Death Experience Isn’t Proof of Heaven

Did a neurosurgeon go to heaven?
By Michael Shermer

In Eben Alexander's best-selling book Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife (Simon & Schuster), he recounts his near-death experience (NDE) during a meningitis-induced coma. When I first read that Alexander's heaven includes “a beautiful girl with high cheekbones and deep blue eyes” who offered him unconditional love, I thought, “Yeah, sure, dude. I've had that fantasy, too.” Yet when I met him on the set of Larry King's new streaming-live talk show on Hulu, I realized that he genuinely believes he went to heaven. Did he?

Not likely. First, Alexander claims that his “cortex was completely shut down” and that his “near-death experience ... took place not while [his] cortex was malfunctioning, but while it was simply off.” In King's green room, I asked him how, if his brain was really nonfunctional, he could have any memory of these experiences, given that memories are a product of neural activity? He responded that he believes the mind can exist separately from the brain. How, where, I inquired? That we don't yet know, he rejoined. The fact that mind and consciousness are not fully explained by natural forces, however, is not proof of the supernatural. In any case, there is a reason they are called near-death experiences: the people who have them are not actually dead.

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Migraine headaches also produce hallucinations, which Sacks himself has experienced as a longtime sufferer, including a “shimmering light” that was “dazzlingly bright”: “It expanded, becoming an enormous arc stretching from the ground to the sky, with sharp, glittering, zigazgging borders and brilliant blue and orange colors.” Compare Sacks's experience with that of Alexander's trip to heaven, where he was “in a place of clouds. Big, puffy, pink-white ones that showed up sharply against the deep blue-black sky. Higher than the clouds—immeasurably higher—flocks of transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky, leaving long, streamerlike lines behind them.”

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-near-death-experience-isnt-proof-heaven

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As a life long migraine sufferer, I can assure all that is no proof of heaven--though maybe of hell. hlthe2b Mar 2013 #1
I had migraines for a time and my aura consisted of bizarre visual hallucinations. cbayer Mar 2013 #3
I have a seizure disorder, medically controlled now. But when I was having episodes, I've got to say pinto Mar 2013 #11
Who knows for sure? I read the review of the neurosurgeon's book a while back cbayer Mar 2013 #2
He must be a crappy neurosurgeon if he believes he saw heaven Apophis Mar 2013 #4
Well, kentauros Mar 2013 #5
Thats too bad that you feel that way about Shermer. He is all about facts and the science behind it cleanhippie Mar 2013 #25
I am not sure how the two are related. cbayer Mar 2013 #7
NDEs are easily explainable. Apophis Mar 2013 #8
Not all that easily explained. There is still a lot not known, particularly cbayer Mar 2013 #9
The simple explanation skepticscott Mar 2013 #16
I am asking you politely to leave me alone. cbayer Mar 2013 #26
It is my understanding skepticscott Mar 2013 #27
I have not said anything about that. I am simply and politely asking that you leave me alone. cbayer Mar 2013 #28
Then I guess I don't understand what that means skepticscott Mar 2013 #29
For the third time, I am asking that you leave me alone. cbayer Mar 2013 #30
If you're asking skepticscott Mar 2013 #33
Let me try to explain the difference between a 'safe haven' group and other groups. grantcart Mar 2013 #41
Forgive me if I'm confused skepticscott Mar 2013 #43
Are you really that obtuse? grantcart Mar 2013 #44
I have brought no past antagonisms here skepticscott Mar 2013 #45
Discussion, yes. kentauros Mar 2013 #39
As a host and co-founder of this effort, allow me to associate myself with your comments. nt MADem Mar 2013 #40
As I read that skepticscott Mar 2013 #42
As far as I and the rest of the hosts are concerned, kentauros Mar 2013 #46
There's certainly still a lot unknown about consciousness. Jim__ Mar 2013 #31
Agree. We've come so far in the last 50 years in terms of cbayer Mar 2013 #34
Here's a link to the video of the Larry King episode. Jim__ Mar 2013 #6
I had migraines for thirty years okasha Mar 2013 #10
Would love to hear more about NA takes on visions. Are they seen in a religious context? pinto Mar 2013 #12
A vision in NA terms okasha Mar 2013 #13
Thanks. pinto Mar 2013 #14
The memories of near death experiences: More real than reality? Jim__ Mar 2013 #15
There is another book about near death experience coming out goldent Mar 2013 #17
Not sure how people who have "objectively died" skepticscott Mar 2013 #19
I agree you could claim they never died based on the definition of the word goldent Mar 2013 #22
Again, this is most likely just a problem with his tools skepticscott Mar 2013 #23
Well, it is a fascinating subject goldent Mar 2013 #37
An interesting scientific study of near death experiences goldent Mar 2013 #18
The operative word here is probably "measurable" skepticscott Mar 2013 #20
Yes, it could be that the brain is working even when their is no activity. goldent Mar 2013 #21
Well, there's either brain activity or there isn't skepticscott Mar 2013 #24
"Well, there's either brain activity or there isn't" goldent Mar 2013 #35
What we can say is skepticscott Mar 2013 #36
To be more precise... goldent Mar 2013 #38
Art and religion are a match made in heaven... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #32
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