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kentauros

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Mon May 4, 2015, 05:41 PM May 2015

Why mocking belief IS an attack on the person [View all]

The latest Islamophobia in Texas and DU's general reaction with regards to Free Speech has brought this subject back to my mind. I don't know if we've ever addressed my subject directly, so I'd like to now, and perhaps develop a good definition of why.

First, here's how I define why mocking someone's beliefs can can at least hurt, and at most, inflame to the point of violent reactions. That is, those that have strongly-held beliefs are attached to them as any one of us might be attached to a loved one/significant other. The Love we have for our beliefs (and the content thereof) is as strong as the Love we have for a friend, relative, offspring, sibling, and/or spouse/SO. Attacking, mocking, ridiculing, and all of the other negative means of laying into someone's belief is akin to doing exactly the same to a loved-one. Our reactions will be the same, yet most will acknowledge that mocking a loved-one is assholish behavior. And yet, mocking a strongly-held belief is not considered the same.

My analysis for why a belief is interpreted differently between the two (beliefs and loved-ones) is that a belief isn't defined in the same terms by those that would willingly mock us. It's considered to be an abstract thing and can't be interpreted as anything physical. We have to define our beliefs as we would a loved-one, and hold to that definition. It could have the effect of diminishing the mocking, save for those few that are jerks and would have as little remorse about insulting a loved-one, too.

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I think my distillation here may need some refining. Partly because I want it to be crystal-clear, yet also because the mockers will attack it because of their Free Speech right to do so, and so they can twist our words around against us. I'd like to avoid as much of the tedium from their "gotcha" style of arguing a point so that there can't be any confusion on why a belief is akin to a loved-one, emotionally and mentally.

Thanks, y'all

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Violence is wrong and the attack on them is wrong. hrmjustin May 2015 #1
Oh, I'm not saying that violent reactions are acceptable. kentauros May 2015 #2
Yes you can say it is a part of their identity. hrmjustin May 2015 #3
I agree with that about some people. kentauros May 2015 #4
It is a good op. hrmjustin May 2015 #5
Not only people of faith, but all who do criticize their mocking Starboard Tack May 2015 #8
Lol. well i find most atheists to be live and let live but there are a few that are rather dogmatic hrmjustin May 2015 #9
Very healthy attitude. Starboard Tack May 2015 #10
It is only recent. hrmjustin May 2015 #12
I think this is right on. okasha May 2015 #11
I honestly don't think there is anyway to make this argument fly el_bryanto May 2015 #6
Okay, finally have a clear enough mind kentauros May 2015 #7
There was a good article at Salon this last weekend about what religion provides el_bryanto May 2015 #26
I saw cbayer's thread in Religion on this Salon article. kentauros May 2015 #27
Beliefs are inanimate. It's like mocking a stone. rug May 2015 #13
Agreed! I think some of them realize they hurt people with their mocking and just don't care hrmjustin May 2015 #14
The realize it before they open their mouths. That's the intent. rug May 2015 #15
I can take a good natured joke or two but I must admit irl i never experience hrmjustin May 2015 #16
The thing is, they lose the power to hurt okasha May 2015 #17
Well put. Something is missing in their lives so they need to inflict it on us. hrmjustin May 2015 #18
The internet lets them do it anonymously, too, okasha May 2015 #19
Keyboard warriors. hrmjustin May 2015 #20
There was a truly ridiculous post yesterday okasha May 2015 #21
I have no problem with good questions that make you think. hrmjustin May 2015 #22
It does happen, but not often. okasha May 2015 #23
It is what it is. hrmjustin May 2015 #24
kicking. hrmjustin May 2015 #25
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