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22. I agree you could claim they never died based on the definition of the word

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 07:44 AM

Mar 2013

but what he is saying is that a body could not be any more dead in terms of the shutdown of critical bodily functions, most notably blood circulation and the brain. I think this is not subjective, but an objective and scientific measure.

Presumably at this point you have experienced everything a person who really died would have experienced, which is why it is so interesting.

I think it is unfortunately this thread is in a religious forum, because people assume it is some kind of religious argument, when it really shouldn't be.

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Why a Near-Death Experience Isn’t Proof of Heaven (Sci Amer) [View all] pinto Mar 2013 OP

As a life long migraine sufferer, I can assure all that is no proof of heaven--though maybe of hell. hlthe2b Mar 2013 #1

I had migraines for a time and my aura consisted of bizarre visual hallucinations. cbayer Mar 2013 #3

I have a seizure disorder, medically controlled now. But when I was having episodes, I've got to say pinto Mar 2013 #11

Who knows for sure? I read the review of the neurosurgeon's book a while back cbayer Mar 2013 #2

He must be a crappy neurosurgeon if he believes he saw heaven Apophis Mar 2013 #4

Well, kentauros Mar 2013 #5

Thats too bad that you feel that way about Shermer. He is all about facts and the science behind it cleanhippie Mar 2013 #25

I am not sure how the two are related. cbayer Mar 2013 #7

NDEs are easily explainable. Apophis Mar 2013 #8

Not all that easily explained. There is still a lot not known, particularly cbayer Mar 2013 #9

The simple explanation skepticscott Mar 2013 #16

I am asking you politely to leave me alone. cbayer Mar 2013 #26

It is my understanding skepticscott Mar 2013 #27

I have not said anything about that. I am simply and politely asking that you leave me alone. cbayer Mar 2013 #28

Then I guess I don't understand what that means skepticscott Mar 2013 #29

For the third time, I am asking that you leave me alone. cbayer Mar 2013 #30

If you're asking skepticscott Mar 2013 #33

Let me try to explain the difference between a 'safe haven' group and other groups. grantcart Mar 2013 #41

Forgive me if I'm confused skepticscott Mar 2013 #43

Are you really that obtuse? grantcart Mar 2013 #44

I have brought no past antagonisms here skepticscott Mar 2013 #45

Discussion, yes. kentauros Mar 2013 #39

As a host and co-founder of this effort, allow me to associate myself with your comments. nt MADem Mar 2013 #40

As I read that skepticscott Mar 2013 #42

As far as I and the rest of the hosts are concerned, kentauros Mar 2013 #46

There's certainly still a lot unknown about consciousness. Jim__ Mar 2013 #31

Agree. We've come so far in the last 50 years in terms of cbayer Mar 2013 #34

Here's a link to the video of the Larry King episode. Jim__ Mar 2013 #6

I had migraines for thirty years okasha Mar 2013 #10

Would love to hear more about NA takes on visions. Are they seen in a religious context? pinto Mar 2013 #12

A vision in NA terms okasha Mar 2013 #13

Thanks. pinto Mar 2013 #14

The memories of near death experiences: More real than reality? Jim__ Mar 2013 #15

There is another book about near death experience coming out goldent Mar 2013 #17

Not sure how people who have "objectively died" skepticscott Mar 2013 #19

I agree you could claim they never died based on the definition of the word goldent Mar 2013 #22

Again, this is most likely just a problem with his tools skepticscott Mar 2013 #23

Well, it is a fascinating subject goldent Mar 2013 #37

An interesting scientific study of near death experiences goldent Mar 2013 #18

The operative word here is probably "measurable" skepticscott Mar 2013 #20

Yes, it could be that the brain is working even when their is no activity. goldent Mar 2013 #21

Well, there's either brain activity or there isn't skepticscott Mar 2013 #24

"Well, there's either brain activity or there isn't" goldent Mar 2013 #35

What we can say is skepticscott Mar 2013 #36

To be more precise... goldent Mar 2013 #38

Art and religion are a match made in heaven... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #32