Elizabeth Warren

MADem

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19. Wow. That's some vitriol, and it's not accurate.

Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:36 AM

Mar 2015

"Derailing by attacking the messenger?" Since when is it an attack to let people know who the messenger is? Surely you don't support "willful ignorance."

The writer of the article and the merits of the article are inextricably linked, particularly since MOVEON has unsuccessfully been trying to convince Warren to run, and Warren's lawyer issued a letter telling them to stop fundraising on her behalf. So yeah, the "messenger" in this instance IS salient.

Here's the difference between you and me. I haven't said anything negative about Warren in this group. Why? I LIKE HER. I VOTED FOR HER. I SENT MONEY TO HER CAMPAIGN. I WORKED TO GET HER ELECTED. I'm on her mailing list, particularly when it comes to national defense issues.

That said, she has said, repeatedly, that she's not running. Is "the Warren Group" so insular and blinkered that they don't listen to the very person they claim to tout? Like it or not, her repeated refusals ARE an aspect of any hopes for a candidacy.

And, as I've said elsewhere and am happy to say again, if she's the nominee, I will happily vote for her, work for her, and donate to her effort. But so long as she is telling me that "No means no" I am going to believe her. I think she's a very smart woman, and she knows her own mind.

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Boston Globe Op Ed: Elizabeth Warren, run for the White House [View all] n2doc Mar 2015 OP

The author of that article is the Executive Director of MOVEON.ORG. MADem Mar 2015 #1

And you're a known Hillary supporter, so it's 'unsurprising' that you should hold your views. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #2

I didn't write an endorsement for the Boston Globe. Anna Galland did. MADem Mar 2015 #5

"had Barney Frank articulate her unwillingness" MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #7

Barney and Betsy are CLOSE. He wouldn't speak without her knowledge. MADem Mar 2015 #18

One of us doesn't know Barney very well MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #20

I know Barney--he'd remember my name. He'd remember my late grandmother better though. MADem Mar 2015 #22

All I can say is.. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #26

I want her to be Fed Chair. That's a job where she can really apply her particular skills MADem Mar 2015 #27

I want her to be the president choosing the fed chair. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #30

She'd have to reverse her decision for that to happen! nt MADem Mar 2015 #32

Ok, it's a 'fact'. So what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #10

No--I am doing nothing of the sort. That's an unfair accusation. MADem Mar 2015 #13

Oh, sure you weren't.... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #16

Wow. That's some vitriol, and it's not accurate. MADem Mar 2015 #19

There wasn't an ounce of 'vitriol' in my reply. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #23

Gee, ya coulda fooled me! MADem Mar 2015 #28

Apparently I did fool you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #29

When you start your rant with "Here's a hint..." you're not being a cheery pal. MADem Mar 2015 #31

'Not friendly' is a far cry from 'vitriol'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #33

You don't have to be foaming at the mouth to be vitriolic. MADem Mar 2015 #34

So let's look at what you've achieved. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #35

If you didn't call me names, I wouldn't be replying to you. MADem Mar 2015 #36

Really? Then let's fix that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #37

Thank you--that will be lovely. nt MADem Mar 2015 #38

It's a pity that the post includes two articles not one RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #39

No slam on the Senator, but the Globe's endorsement doesn't mean what it used to mean. MADem Mar 2015 #40

No slam on you, MADem, but don't you think harassing EW supporters on this thread with RiverLover Mar 2015 #41

If you will note, most of my replies are to someone who repeatedly MADem Mar 2015 #42

And why does her organization want Warren to run? nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #3

I think the answer is in her article....? nt MADem Mar 2015 #6

Do you think she played some part in getting MoveOn to MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #9

Maybe you should ask her. I'd guess the answer to that is YES. nt MADem Mar 2015 #14

This is the Warren group, and we know that. djean111 Mar 2015 #4

What's wrong with telling people who the person is who wrote the article? MADem Mar 2015 #8

Again, why would you think we would not know that? djean111 Mar 2015 #11

It was news to me--I initially thought the writer was Globe Staff. MADem Mar 2015 #15

A lot of Warren supporters signed the MoveOn petition for asking Warren to run. Familiar with djean111 Mar 2015 #17

I took my email off her list--told her I'd be back in touch when she ran for Prez Demeter Mar 2015 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #21

But she is much more powerful and can get more done as a Senator. At least A Simple Game Mar 2015 #24

If she ran as a republican I would vote for her. L0oniX Mar 2015 #25