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MADem

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40. No slam on the Senator, but the Globe's endorsement doesn't mean what it used to mean.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 07:55 PM
Mar 2015

They endorsed Baker in November, which I did note in my post.

There are some who speculate that the goal is to push her into the race to get her on the defensive, and take her eye off the ball. I don't know if that's an accurate assessment, but it's as interesting as any I've heard.

Our local Dem blog, BMG, had some interesting conversation going on about the endorsement as well:

http://bluemassgroup.com/2015/03/globe-initiates-full-court-press-to-get-elizabeth-warren-to-run-for-president/

What is notably absent from any of the four opinion pieces in today’s Globe is a realistic assessment of the downsides for Warren of tossing her hat in the ring. All of the pieces assume that Warren would be more influential as a presidential candidate than she is as a Senator. But why should that necessarily be so? Yes, she will get a lot more national press coverage, especially because if she jumped in, she’d probably see a quick bump in the primary polls that would make her appear competitive with Hillary. But much of the coverage would be on horserace nonsense, about the latest perceived gaffe, and about the latest tidbit that some RWNJ managed to dig up about Warren’s past, as it always is. A bunch more of it would be on international affairs – ISIS, Israel, Russia, all stuff that is squarely in Hillary’s wheelhouse and that is not likely to help Warren much. Relatively little of it would be about what Warren really wants to spend her time talking about, namely, income inequality and related economic issues. Query whether, as a presidential candidate, she could generate more favorable press coverage on those issues than she can if she participates in the campaign actively, but from the Senate.

And think about it: when was the last time that a primary candidate was able to direct the nation’s focus to particular issues to which he or she wanted to call attention, and actually achieve something substantive? I can’t think of one. Maybe Warren would be different. But maybe not – and if not, she likely returns to the Senate less influential for having failed than she is now. Unless she wins … but honestly, there is precious little evidence that that’s a realistic outcome.


This commenter, no HRC fan as you can see by the comments, has a similar view:

The Globe’s new-found enthusiasm for Ms. Warren further convinces me that she made the right decision by staying out of the race. To me, these op-eds primarily demonstrate the increasing irrelevance and superficiality of what was once a fine newspaper.

I like it that she can stay in office as long as she likes. I am impressed by her skill at choosing issues to focus on, and by effectively moving our party towards her positions on those issues. I find Senator Warren far more effective than Senator Clinton was. It seems to me that Hillary Clinton ran for the Senate as a stepping-stone to other pursuits. In contrast, it seems to me that Senator Warren ran for the Senate because she wanted to be a Senator.

I see a host of negatives in Ms. Warren running for President, and not many positives.

I hope that Ms. Warren stays right where she is. My enthusiasm for Ms. Clinton continues to wane as her identity as a public official separate from her husband continues to emerge.


And then, there's the All Politics is LOCAL angle:

First of all, Warren does not want to run and has never expressed an interest.

Second, she can be more effective as a senator. As a senator, she can focus on the issues that she knows best and work as a real advocate. She would not be able to do this as well as president, and the presidency also requires foreign affairs work that is simply not her forte–or her interest, frankly. She can do a lot of good building the progressive wing of the Senate, which is of great importance because Congress creates and passes legislation.

Third, if she were to run and–hypothetically–to win, then her seat would be vacant, and Baker would get to appoint the interim senator until a primary and general special election. Joe Kennedy would probably be eying the seat, and he’d be a downgrade from Warren.


That highlighted piece is a fair point, should an unlikely result occur.

Another non-Clinton fan takes a different approach:

Note that the Globe does not say that Warren should be president, or even the nominee, or that the Globe would support her if she ran.

Rather the Globe says that it would be kinda sad, or at least boring, if she or someone didn’t run against Clinton, because gosh what fun is that.

The other argument in the editorial (which represents the paper) is that her candidacy would beneficially advance her issues and “enrich the political process for years to come.”

I have no doubt there will be many causes for regret in a Clinton candidacy and presidency. That’s what lesser-evils choices do. Warren running this particular gantlet will not change that.

The image of a Presidential bid advancing an actual agenda is a civics-lesson fantasy at odds with the money-choked reality of today’s corrupted political landscape. I’m not saying it could never be possible, but not in 2016.

Want to change that? Okay, elect more Elizabeth Warrens to Congress from other states. And leave her where she can do some good.


Anyway, some good conversation with a local perspective.

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The author of that article is the Executive Director of MOVEON.ORG. MADem Mar 2015 #1
And you're a known Hillary supporter, so it's 'unsurprising' that you should hold your views. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #2
I didn't write an endorsement for the Boston Globe. Anna Galland did. MADem Mar 2015 #5
"had Barney Frank articulate her unwillingness" MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #7
Barney and Betsy are CLOSE. He wouldn't speak without her knowledge. MADem Mar 2015 #18
One of us doesn't know Barney very well MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #20
I know Barney--he'd remember my name. He'd remember my late grandmother better though. MADem Mar 2015 #22
All I can say is.. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #26
I want her to be Fed Chair. That's a job where she can really apply her particular skills MADem Mar 2015 #27
I want her to be the president choosing the fed chair. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #30
She'd have to reverse her decision for that to happen! nt MADem Mar 2015 #32
Ok, it's a 'fact'. So what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #10
No--I am doing nothing of the sort. That's an unfair accusation. MADem Mar 2015 #13
Oh, sure you weren't.... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #16
Wow. That's some vitriol, and it's not accurate. MADem Mar 2015 #19
There wasn't an ounce of 'vitriol' in my reply. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #23
Gee, ya coulda fooled me! MADem Mar 2015 #28
Apparently I did fool you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #29
When you start your rant with "Here's a hint..." you're not being a cheery pal. MADem Mar 2015 #31
'Not friendly' is a far cry from 'vitriol'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #33
You don't have to be foaming at the mouth to be vitriolic. MADem Mar 2015 #34
So let's look at what you've achieved. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #35
If you didn't call me names, I wouldn't be replying to you. MADem Mar 2015 #36
Really? Then let's fix that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #37
Thank you--that will be lovely. nt MADem Mar 2015 #38
It's a pity that the post includes two articles not one RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #39
No slam on the Senator, but the Globe's endorsement doesn't mean what it used to mean. MADem Mar 2015 #40
No slam on you, MADem, but don't you think harassing EW supporters on this thread with RiverLover Mar 2015 #41
If you will note, most of my replies are to someone who repeatedly MADem Mar 2015 #42
And why does her organization want Warren to run? nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #3
I think the answer is in her article....? nt MADem Mar 2015 #6
Do you think she played some part in getting MoveOn to MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #9
Maybe you should ask her. I'd guess the answer to that is YES. nt MADem Mar 2015 #14
This is the Warren group, and we know that. djean111 Mar 2015 #4
What's wrong with telling people who the person is who wrote the article? MADem Mar 2015 #8
Again, why would you think we would not know that? djean111 Mar 2015 #11
It was news to me--I initially thought the writer was Globe Staff. MADem Mar 2015 #15
A lot of Warren supporters signed the MoveOn petition for asking Warren to run. Familiar with djean111 Mar 2015 #17
I took my email off her list--told her I'd be back in touch when she ran for Prez Demeter Mar 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #21
But she is much more powerful and can get more done as a Senator. At least A Simple Game Mar 2015 #24
If she ran as a republican I would vote for her. L0oniX Mar 2015 #25
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