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Elizabeth Warren
In reply to the discussion: Boston Globe Op Ed: Elizabeth Warren, run for the White House [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)40. No slam on the Senator, but the Globe's endorsement doesn't mean what it used to mean.
They endorsed Baker in November, which I did note in my post.
There are some who speculate that the goal is to push her into the race to get her on the defensive, and take her eye off the ball. I don't know if that's an accurate assessment, but it's as interesting as any I've heard.
Our local Dem blog, BMG, had some interesting conversation going on about the endorsement as well:
http://bluemassgroup.com/2015/03/globe-initiates-full-court-press-to-get-elizabeth-warren-to-run-for-president/
What is notably absent from any of the four opinion pieces in todays Globe is a realistic assessment of the downsides for Warren of tossing her hat in the ring. All of the pieces assume that Warren would be more influential as a presidential candidate than she is as a Senator. But why should that necessarily be so? Yes, she will get a lot more national press coverage, especially because if she jumped in, shed probably see a quick bump in the primary polls that would make her appear competitive with Hillary. But much of the coverage would be on horserace nonsense, about the latest perceived gaffe, and about the latest tidbit that some RWNJ managed to dig up about Warrens past, as it always is. A bunch more of it would be on international affairs ISIS, Israel, Russia, all stuff that is squarely in Hillarys wheelhouse and that is not likely to help Warren much. Relatively little of it would be about what Warren really wants to spend her time talking about, namely, income inequality and related economic issues. Query whether, as a presidential candidate, she could generate more favorable press coverage on those issues than she can if she participates in the campaign actively, but from the Senate.
And think about it: when was the last time that a primary candidate was able to direct the nations focus to particular issues to which he or she wanted to call attention, and actually achieve something substantive? I cant think of one. Maybe Warren would be different. But maybe not and if not, she likely returns to the Senate less influential for having failed than she is now. Unless she wins but honestly, there is precious little evidence that thats a realistic outcome.
And think about it: when was the last time that a primary candidate was able to direct the nations focus to particular issues to which he or she wanted to call attention, and actually achieve something substantive? I cant think of one. Maybe Warren would be different. But maybe not and if not, she likely returns to the Senate less influential for having failed than she is now. Unless she wins but honestly, there is precious little evidence that thats a realistic outcome.
This commenter, no HRC fan as you can see by the comments, has a similar view:
The Globes new-found enthusiasm for Ms. Warren further convinces me that she made the right decision by staying out of the race. To me, these op-eds primarily demonstrate the increasing irrelevance and superficiality of what was once a fine newspaper.
I like it that she can stay in office as long as she likes. I am impressed by her skill at choosing issues to focus on, and by effectively moving our party towards her positions on those issues. I find Senator Warren far more effective than Senator Clinton was. It seems to me that Hillary Clinton ran for the Senate as a stepping-stone to other pursuits. In contrast, it seems to me that Senator Warren ran for the Senate because she wanted to be a Senator.
I see a host of negatives in Ms. Warren running for President, and not many positives.
I hope that Ms. Warren stays right where she is. My enthusiasm for Ms. Clinton continues to wane as her identity as a public official separate from her husband continues to emerge.
I like it that she can stay in office as long as she likes. I am impressed by her skill at choosing issues to focus on, and by effectively moving our party towards her positions on those issues. I find Senator Warren far more effective than Senator Clinton was. It seems to me that Hillary Clinton ran for the Senate as a stepping-stone to other pursuits. In contrast, it seems to me that Senator Warren ran for the Senate because she wanted to be a Senator.
I see a host of negatives in Ms. Warren running for President, and not many positives.
I hope that Ms. Warren stays right where she is. My enthusiasm for Ms. Clinton continues to wane as her identity as a public official separate from her husband continues to emerge.
And then, there's the All Politics is LOCAL angle:
First of all, Warren does not want to run and has never expressed an interest.
Second, she can be more effective as a senator. As a senator, she can focus on the issues that she knows best and work as a real advocate. She would not be able to do this as well as president, and the presidency also requires foreign affairs work that is simply not her forteor her interest, frankly. She can do a lot of good building the progressive wing of the Senate, which is of great importance because Congress creates and passes legislation.
Third, if she were to run andhypotheticallyto win, then her seat would be vacant, and Baker would get to appoint the interim senator until a primary and general special election. Joe Kennedy would probably be eying the seat, and hed be a downgrade from Warren.
Second, she can be more effective as a senator. As a senator, she can focus on the issues that she knows best and work as a real advocate. She would not be able to do this as well as president, and the presidency also requires foreign affairs work that is simply not her forteor her interest, frankly. She can do a lot of good building the progressive wing of the Senate, which is of great importance because Congress creates and passes legislation.
Third, if she were to run andhypotheticallyto win, then her seat would be vacant, and Baker would get to appoint the interim senator until a primary and general special election. Joe Kennedy would probably be eying the seat, and hed be a downgrade from Warren.
That highlighted piece is a fair point, should an unlikely result occur.
Another non-Clinton fan takes a different approach:
Note that the Globe does not say that Warren should be president, or even the nominee, or that the Globe would support her if she ran.
Rather the Globe says that it would be kinda sad, or at least boring, if she or someone didnt run against Clinton, because gosh what fun is that.
The other argument in the editorial (which represents the paper) is that her candidacy would beneficially advance her issues and enrich the political process for years to come.
I have no doubt there will be many causes for regret in a Clinton candidacy and presidency. Thats what lesser-evils choices do. Warren running this particular gantlet will not change that.
The image of a Presidential bid advancing an actual agenda is a civics-lesson fantasy at odds with the money-choked reality of todays corrupted political landscape. Im not saying it could never be possible, but not in 2016.
Want to change that? Okay, elect more Elizabeth Warrens to Congress from other states. And leave her where she can do some good.
Rather the Globe says that it would be kinda sad, or at least boring, if she or someone didnt run against Clinton, because gosh what fun is that.
The other argument in the editorial (which represents the paper) is that her candidacy would beneficially advance her issues and enrich the political process for years to come.
I have no doubt there will be many causes for regret in a Clinton candidacy and presidency. Thats what lesser-evils choices do. Warren running this particular gantlet will not change that.
The image of a Presidential bid advancing an actual agenda is a civics-lesson fantasy at odds with the money-choked reality of todays corrupted political landscape. Im not saying it could never be possible, but not in 2016.
Want to change that? Okay, elect more Elizabeth Warrens to Congress from other states. And leave her where she can do some good.
Anyway, some good conversation with a local perspective.
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And you're a known Hillary supporter, so it's 'unsurprising' that you should hold your views.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Mar 2015
#2
I know Barney--he'd remember my name. He'd remember my late grandmother better though.
MADem
Mar 2015
#22
I want her to be Fed Chair. That's a job where she can really apply her particular skills
MADem
Mar 2015
#27
No slam on the Senator, but the Globe's endorsement doesn't mean what it used to mean.
MADem
Mar 2015
#40
No slam on you, MADem, but don't you think harassing EW supporters on this thread with
RiverLover
Mar 2015
#41
A lot of Warren supporters signed the MoveOn petition for asking Warren to run. Familiar with
djean111
Mar 2015
#17
I took my email off her list--told her I'd be back in touch when she ran for Prez
Demeter
Mar 2015
#12
But she is much more powerful and can get more done as a Senator. At least
A Simple Game
Mar 2015
#24