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djean111

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22. Part of it is, and all of this is IMO, sheer hubris. Which may have been the HRC is inevitable
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:53 AM
Apr 2015

problem the first time around. The hubris is very off-putting and makes me ponder just what is it to be a Democrat these days. That hubris sometimes translates into them coming into this group to lecture and scold.

Also - for some reason - IMO, of course - the Third Way seems to have fallen into the trap of considering Warren's personality the only important thing about her - to voters. Obviously they feel threatened by her ideas, or they would not have penned that childish rant in the WSJ, whining that Warren was getting out of hand. The sheer fucking arrogance of that is another thing that has made me question what being in the Democratic Party means these days.

The banks have been breathtakingly open about not wanting to give any Dems money if Warren is not stifled. So, trying to squash mention of her by supporters might be one way that the Third Way hopes to marginalize her.

I think the sudden enthusiasm for O'Malley has something to do with that Look! There's a kitten! trick - but O'Malley, I think, is just angling for VP, and whatever liberal stances he has will be soon forgotten.

Another thankfully brief test balloon was, I think, seeing if floating the idea of Warren as VP would help make HRC more palatable to Warren supporters. Um, nope. That would just marginalize Warren. That would be astoundingly fake and cynical.

Then there is the attempt to gloss over HRC's Wall Street and corporate ways with references to her stances on some social issues, as if we were required to TRADE economic issues away in order to keep social gains. As if social issues were not supposed to be the assumed bedrock of being a Democrat.

The hysterics over SCOTUS and "sticking together" are other feints by the HRC camp. I think it hilarious, the transparent We must all unite! Right the fuck now! calls to action. Um, wait until after the primaries, sweeties.
I get the feeling this was supposed to be a cakewalk that went askew. Probably would have worked better before we all learned to look up stuff on this internet thingy and only looked to slogans and bumper stickers and name recognition. And now, groups who support any candidate can easily find each other. That is a big game changer. We can look at the whole menu, not just the selected specials that management is pushing.

And then, there is Hillary's silence on "what she is running on". OMG. That means she is just going to adopt whatever the polls say will work with the voters, and will be discarded like Gasparilla Day beads and confetti, the day after the parade. Choosing campaign blather.

And then, there is the yawningly obvious thread-jacking. Here is some advice - it does not work any more. The same people jack threads with the same bullshit. Does not change anyone's mind. Really, it only leaves distaste for the hijackers, and cheapens anything they might post.

In any event, I cannot support anyone who supports the TPP/TTIP. So I just laugh at the HRC shenanigans.
Sorry if this is long-winded, but this is just stuff I have noticed.

Oh, and the raining on the parade? They are afraid they cannot win without the Warren supports, they believe it is not Warren's ideas, but her personality, that drive us, and IMO they really really wanted/want no one to contest HRC in a primary, and consider that Warren was a threat. O'Malley will just be, IMO again, a foil who will be offered VP.

Just some random thoughts, my opinion only, and I am not going to "defend" them, because there is no need to. They are my thoughts, I am not trying to tell others what to think or to herd them into a group.

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Excuse me, but has any other newspaper called for Warren to run? Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #1
I don't know. I live in Boston. merrily Apr 2015 #2
I think this is a first, but could be wrong. The entire editorial board, very interesting Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #3
My pleasure. I thought this group would enjoy it. merrily Apr 2015 #4
um ellennelle Apr 2015 #5
Thanks..I did not check the date of the OP. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #6
Don't worry about the date of the article. Warren has said many times she is not running. merrily Apr 2015 #11
No worries, I hear what you're saying. I should have checked the date though..as the Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #27
Thanks for snarky condescension. However, this is not LBN and she's been saying she will not run merrily Apr 2015 #7
"I simply posted something positive about Warren in the Warren group." RiverLover Apr 2015 #8
You're more than welcome RiverLover. merrily Apr 2015 #10
Ummm backatcha! Don't be such a Debbie Downer! Divernan Apr 2015 #9
Cognitive dissonance. Her first post in the Warren forum is to lash out at me for posting merrily Apr 2015 #13
"but she has put the kibosh on it." So before their endorsement she said she would run? RiverLover Apr 2015 #12
Agreed. Should HRC's candidacy never materialize, or stumble/self-destruct Divernan Apr 2015 #17
You might enjoy this ... Scuba Apr 2015 #16
She is in my opinion the Democrat most likely to win. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #28
The Boston Herald is no competitor. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2015 #14
The Globe's wiki calls the Herald the Globe's chief competitor. I agree. merrily Apr 2015 #15
The NYT no longer owns The Boston Globe Fla Dem Apr 2015 #18
Thanks. merrily Apr 2015 #20
No prob. Fla Dem Apr 2015 #26
The fact remains that nothing Warren says will make HRC more acceptable or palatable. To me. djean111 Apr 2015 #19
Do you have any thoughts about why they think it so important to kill any hope of a Warren candidacy merrily Apr 2015 #21
Part of it is, and all of this is IMO, sheer hubris. Which may have been the HRC is inevitable djean111 Apr 2015 #22
Good post - thanks. Re your SCOTUS Divernan Apr 2015 #23
Exactly. I believe Hillary would appoint a corporate Jamie Dimon-approved judge, djean111 Apr 2015 #25
I think you may well be right about O'Malley merrily Apr 2015 #24
Totally on board with your post. I will not give up on Warren. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #29
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