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EnergizedLib

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10. Gretzky also wasn't a fighter and the face of his league

Mon Jul 10, 2023, 07:45 PM

Jul 2023

Yes, they play on teams, but you can't say individual stats are meaningless, imply that LeBron's scoring record or Michael's 30.1 points per game don't matter, because they do. Winning matters, but winning alone doesn't comprise the GOAT debate, otherwise Robert Horry would be rated greater than Michael and LeBron, or Sam Jones would be rated as better than both of them, too. You might not play on a team alone, but if you keep posting these numbers year in and year out, different eras, teams, players, for a long period of time, keep winning those awards and dominating, absolutely, they matter.

Olajuwon was no Pippen, Olajuwon would be on my list of Top 10 players of all time.

If you want to factor in stats, please do. If you want to factor in winning, please do. It wouldn't be right to completely dismiss one or the other.

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This is ridiculous. we can do it Jul 2023 #1

Specifically what is, if I may ask? EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #2

William Felton Russell. Stats are only stats. cachukis Jul 2023 #3

Stats do matter, no? EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #4

No body ever hit Wayne Gretzky because he was the paycheck. cachukis Jul 2023 #8

Gretzky also wasn't a fighter and the face of his league EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #10

Late to the GOAT debate, but... maspaha Aug 2023 #23

And then look at Bill Russell bottomofthehill Jul 2023 #5

That's a lot of winning EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #7

I played hockey with guys who left the Canadiens because of cachukis Jul 2023 #9

Casey also managed a 40-120 Mets team in their first year EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #11

I am not denying them their greatness. But rules change. cachukis Jul 2023 #14

And this tells me EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #17

Well stated. The greatest is subjective. Individually versus team. cachukis Jul 2023 #20

Red's take TZ617 Jul 2023 #12

First of all EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #13

My generation!! TZ617 Jul 2023 #16

That really says a lot EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #18

My father was a referee in the Greater Boston League in the cachukis Jul 2023 #15

There's the nostalgia again EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #19

Bob Cousy maspaha Aug 2023 #24

Luckily, yes. On the parquet and in a park in Worcester, just down cachukis Aug 2023 #25

My Objection ProfessorGAC Jul 2023 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #6

My vote goes to Secretariat..... Karadeniz Jul 2023 #21

Bill Russel, 11 titles in 13 seasons bluescribbler Sep 2023 #26

Naismith is very inclusive EnergizedLib Sep 2023 #27