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In reply to the discussion: My take on the GOAT debate [View all]

EnergizedLib

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17. And this tells me
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 10:34 PM
Jul 2023

Nostalgia is a powerful thing. This was what you heard about Joe Louis, and surely people have said things about modern boxers that they couldn’t hold Ali, etc.

Of course, sports are a business, and while winning is a factor into who the greatest was, I don’t know of anybody that uses winning alone to determine someone’s greatness without measuring individual stats. Beliveau was undoubtedly one of hockey’s absolute greatest, but the only argument one could truly make to place him above the Gretzkys, the Howes, Lemieux’s would be if they placed such a premium on winning, combined with sentimental value.

Someone’s always going to be better than you, more talented than you, no matter who you are. I’ll always appreciate the names from my childhood, some who will forever have their place on history, but it doesn’t mean they’ll never be surpassed.

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My take on the GOAT debate [View all] EnergizedLib Jul 2023 OP
This is ridiculous. we can do it Jul 2023 #1
Specifically what is, if I may ask? EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #2
William Felton Russell. Stats are only stats. cachukis Jul 2023 #3
Stats do matter, no? EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #4
No body ever hit Wayne Gretzky because he was the paycheck. cachukis Jul 2023 #8
Gretzky also wasn't a fighter and the face of his league EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #10
Late to the GOAT debate, but... maspaha Aug 2023 #23
And then look at Bill Russell bottomofthehill Jul 2023 #5
That's a lot of winning EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #7
I played hockey with guys who left the Canadiens because of cachukis Jul 2023 #9
Casey also managed a 40-120 Mets team in their first year EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #11
I am not denying them their greatness. But rules change. cachukis Jul 2023 #14
And this tells me EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #17
Well stated. The greatest is subjective. Individually versus team. cachukis Jul 2023 #20
Red's take TZ617 Jul 2023 #12
First of all EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #13
My generation!! TZ617 Jul 2023 #16
That really says a lot EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #18
My father was a referee in the Greater Boston League in the cachukis Jul 2023 #15
There's the nostalgia again EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #19
Bob Cousy maspaha Aug 2023 #24
Luckily, yes. On the parquet and in a park in Worcester, just down cachukis Aug 2023 #25
My Objection ProfessorGAC Jul 2023 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author EnergizedLib Jul 2023 #6
My vote goes to Secretariat..... Karadeniz Jul 2023 #21
Bill Russel, 11 titles in 13 seasons bluescribbler Sep 2023 #26
Naismith is very inclusive EnergizedLib Sep 2023 #27
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