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pnwmom

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53. Hillary and Bill and Bernie are ALL populists. So is Martin, for that matter.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 07:56 AM
Dec 2015

Bernie wants to get for people what he's convinced they should want.

Hillary wants to figure out what people want and then help them get it.

Two different styles of populism.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/hillary-the-populist/400376/

If Sanders is a rhetorical populist, then Clinton is one in a different, and more literal sense: She actually tries to cater to the majority of likely voters. The Clintons have a reputation for obsessing over the public mood, with Bill catching blowback during his presidency for relying “too much on constant temperature-taking, even scripting his message—right down to his actual words—to polling and focus groups.” That reputation has followed Hillary. Reason recently classified her as a “Focus Group Democrat,” and it isn’t hard to find comments on articles accusing her of believing “what the polls and focus groups tell her to believe.”


But isn’t this barometric sensitivity just a sophisticated method for responding to the largest possible coalition of voters? It’s a coldly efficient way of giving the people what they want, calculated to upset as few as possible.


Politicians aiming for the center mass of public opinion aren’t a recent development in Anglo American politics. The 19th-century British journalist Walter Bagehot fawned over conservative Prime Minister Robert Peel’s ability to do just that: “From a certain peculiarity of intellect and fortune, he was never in advance of his time. Of almost all the great measures with which his name is associated, he attained great eminence as an opponent before he attained even greater eminence as their advocate.”

SNIP

Hillary Clinton, like Peel, is no prophet raging in advance of a cause. Instead, both politicians pursued synchronicity with the demands of the electorate, never outpacing the collective moral imagination with their own desires, and reframing compromise as virtuous inclusion.

Did some one think the Cliintons would not be questioned, criticised, attacked ... from the left ... JoePhilly May 2015 #1
? My post doesn't say someone thought the Clintons would not be attacked or anything like that. merrily May 2015 #2
Clinton supporters might want to say that he and Chelsea are off limits. I disagree. NYC_SKP May 2015 #3
I tend to think that Clinton supporters know what's coming. JoePhilly May 2015 #4
AFAIK, Hillary has never associated herself with Chelsea's Wall Street or media jobs merrily May 2015 #5
Good point, however there are parallels. NYC_SKP May 2015 #28
Please see Reply 21. merrily May 2015 #29
When you say "fair game" it describes your upaloopa May 2015 #9
You're addressing a host of this group, fair warning. NYC_SKP May 2015 #10
Warning? I am not afraid! upaloopa May 2015 #11
No problems, it's just that sometimes people don't realize where they are when they post. NYC_SKP May 2015 #12
Well I don't think you should use this platform upaloopa May 2015 #15
! Phlem May 2015 #18
jane enid602 Dec 2015 #57
No, we aren't looking to block people, but we are looking for a safe haven for like-minded people merrily May 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily May 2015 #19
Chelsea was off limits when she was 12. Paka May 2015 #34
We collectively fredamae May 2015 #6
Children are deemed to have been off limits because they did not seek the spotlight, only a parent merrily May 2015 #7
All good points too fredamae May 2015 #8
Chelsea is now an adult, hedge funder and overpaid media "journalist", foundation board member. NYC_SKP May 2015 #14
I meant that my OP did not attempt to make any case about Chelsea. I am not trying to say merrily May 2015 #21
IMO, it is not out of line to mention Bill Clinton. NYC_SKP May 2015 #30
Good Points, Merrily. KoKo May 2015 #13
Thanks. If the subject comes up, you or anyone who wishes can always link to this thread. merrily May 2015 #20
One of things I like about our "Groups" KoKo May 2015 #23
With my blessing. merrily May 2015 #25
I'd say context is everything nxylas May 2015 #16
I will not ignore NAFTA, the Telecommunications Act and Gramm, Leach, Bliley. Enthusiast May 2015 #17
...! KoKo May 2015 #22
I've been reading that she may try to disassociate herself from ending "welfare as we know it." merrily May 2015 #24
It's not really any different than bringing up W or HW when talking about Jeb Bush arcane1 May 2015 #26
I do see it as different. merrily May 2015 #27
Totally misogynistic. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #31
For a woman. merrily May 2015 #32
But that's not what matters now MannyGoldstein May 2015 #35
You'd better sign that one "Third Way Manny" before I merrily May 2015 #36
I'm just a typical Sanders supporter MannyGoldstein May 2015 #37
Then I am drumming you out of this group. merrily May 2015 #38
! MannyGoldstein May 2015 #40
Pffft! Enthusiast May 2015 #41
It isn't just fair to bring Bill AND Hillary into this, it is necessary. whereisjustice May 2015 #39
Good post, thanks merrily. Scuba May 2015 #42
Thank you, Scuba. Glad you found it useful. merrily May 2015 #44
Pinning this thread demwing May 2015 #43
Thanks, demwing merrily May 2015 #45
Great. So Let's talk more about JANE SANDERS. pnwmom Dec 2015 #46
Not even going to read your bs. J. Sanders was never sold as Sanders' co-Senator or any of things merrily Dec 2015 #47
Jane Sanders hasn't been in a position yet where she could do really serious damage. pnwmom Dec 2015 #48
LOL! Speaking of playing fast and loose with the truth..... merrily Dec 2015 #49
That's what you're always accusing the Clintons of. Clintons, meet Jane Sanders. pnwmom Dec 2015 #50
Already responded to on this thread--and this is still a protected group merrily Dec 2015 #51
Hillary and Bill and Bernie are ALL populists. So is Martin, for that matter. pnwmom Dec 2015 #53
Hillary is no populist, but YOU are the one posting in this group, not Hillary, merrily Dec 2015 #54
Where was I "flailing wildly"? pnwmom Dec 2015 #55
LOL! merrily Dec 2015 #56
PS When did you complain about the Clinton foundation reporting $10,000,000 as zero? merrily Dec 2015 #52
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