Democratic Primaries

TexasTowelie

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40. "Votes are not owed, they are earned."

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 02:58 PM

Mar 2020

I agree, but a few weeks ago another member here was pressuring me to take a loyalty oath to support Bernie when he was supposed to win the nomination (even though less than 3% of the delegates were determined). My response was that I was going to vote for a Democrat in November. A few more exchanges occurred between us until we completed the circle and I again replied to refer back to my previous post where I said that I was going to vote for a Democrat in November.

I believe that it is far more important to be loyal to my country than it is to be loyal to an individual, a political party, or the rules of a Website. While I would be apprehensive voting for Bernie, in the end I expect that when it came time to vote in the general election he would get my vote since the alternative would be disloyal to my country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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A question for Bernie supporters (and others may comment as well) [View all] NCProgressive Mar 2020 OP

I think loos is more difficult for young people to accept. RandySF Mar 2020 #1

There were young supporters of Pete, Amy, Kamala, Beto, Cory NCProgressive Mar 2020 #4

Exactly... nolawarlock Mar 2020 #30

i'm one of those Warren people barbtries Mar 2020 #70

That's because you're an adult. nolawarlock Mar 2020 #103

Yeah, I was a HUGE Elizabeth supporter too... Bernie, however, did just edge her out InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #104

Warren was such a good choice. I can't believe she didn't get a closer look. musicblind Mar 2020 #124

Most Sanders supporters are fine, tho. As for the angry minority Hortensis Mar 2020 #39

This. musicblind Mar 2020 #125

None of the other candidates peddled conspiracy theories in the first place... Hekate Mar 2020 #97

I blame Youth Soccer for many of their social problems and inability to cope with disappointment. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #31

:) And the notion that every child needs not just his Hortensis Mar 2020 #43

Then there are the helicopter parents who call the University when little Johnny is failing. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #86

Number one step when becoming an adult... ahoysrcsm Mar 2020 #128

I don't think some of them can even do that. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #129

Exactly. ahoysrcsm Mar 2020 #130

I started voting at 18. Codeine Mar 2020 #101

Right. You understood. Me too. Hortensis Mar 2020 #111

If Biden was losing, PatSeg Mar 2020 #2

Chuck Daly, former Detroit Pistons coach, used to say, "if you're gong to lose, lose big". LisaM Mar 2020 #3

Very valid points. Thanks! NCProgressive Mar 2020 #5

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That is an entirely different issue. Please stick with what I asked. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #7

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Every candidate's supporters get dissatisfied .. but they support the nominee NCProgressive Mar 2020 #34

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So ... it is not "the best person for the job from the available" NCProgressive Mar 2020 #45

Does it matter when looking to keep Trump in office that hurts ALL of us? Does it even matter a LizBeth Mar 2020 #9

That is what bothers me about it. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #50

Right. LizBeth Mar 2020 #53

Every answer is a reponse, however not every reponse is an answer. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #13

Obama's win was rarely ever in question. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #14

Quite a few, I've seen some estimates as high as 25% Doremus Mar 2020 #15

That is a deflection. Not an answer to the original question. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #36

That's all they have. William769 Mar 2020 #52

The problem is that the question implies this is only an issue with Sanders' supporters. progressoid Mar 2020 #55

It is an issue with only Sanders' supporters as far as I can discern. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #57

Now you're changing your premise to "rigging?" progressoid Mar 2020 #59

No .. I am sincerely looking for answers. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #61

Have you heard of Twitter? progressoid Mar 2020 #76

Make Boomers die of C-virus? That's an unbelievably vile Tweet. What is your point? Hekate Mar 2020 #102

NCProgressive asked for examples of how the frustration manifests itself. progressoid Mar 2020 #113

McCain was not a friggin lunatic Bev54 Mar 2020 #16

McCain was a RethugliKKKon POS... look it up!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #107

The only study I've seen showed that 24% of her supporters actually voted for McCain JudyM Mar 2020 #19

That has been debunked repeatedly. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #37

Where has it been debunked? Source? JudyM Mar 2020 #72

It has been by Pew Research Center NCProgressive Mar 2020 #79

Seriously. Winning 10% of all Dem votes doesn't winning 10% of HRC's voters. So not disproved. JudyM Mar 2020 #112

If Hillary lost the primaries by 15% of the votes NCProgressive Mar 2020 #114

No, I'm pointing out that the article you pointed to as proof doesn't prove it without all the JudyM Mar 2020 #115

One can extrapolate the data to show that what you stated is false NCProgressive Mar 2020 #117

no, it is true, the the total defection rate was around 30% (5% did not vote or left POTUS blank) Celerity Mar 2020 #122

BIIIIIINNGGOOOO!! It was the year of the PUMA!! Bernie supporters are loyal Democrats!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #109

"Votes are not owed, they are earned." TexasTowelie Mar 2020 #40

Not as many as propaganda claims. If 25% of HRC voters went to McCain blm Mar 2020 #51

I can understand it renate Mar 2020 #8

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They are young, but some of the older ones really believe all of this is "free" it is not. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #28

It's the difference between a movement and a campaign. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #10

Well stated.. thank you! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #80

An honest explanation philly_bob Mar 2020 #11

Sanders didn't run in 2008. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #17

You're right, of course, TZ. It was 2016. /nt philly_bob Mar 2020 #33

Agree. Doremus Mar 2020 #21

I think the term Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #23

Dirtbag left is what they call themselves. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #27

THIS x 1,000,000!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #106

I think the angriest are independents who finally see themselves in Bernie and Bernie had a chance. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #12

Independents are split or favoring Biden in polls. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #29

yes, not all independents are for Bernie. I didn't think I needed to say that. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #38

Patience, Luke... lambchopp59 Mar 2020 #18

There actually Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #22

That's not too complicated el_bryanto Mar 2020 #24

A different kind of denial -- plus the lies have continued for 4 year JT45242 Mar 2020 #25

Bernie is unique in that Ron Green Mar 2020 #32

There is no rigged system. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #41

LOL. Ron Green Mar 2020 #48

How did Geithner and Summers, both progressive Democrats rig the system? NCProgressive Mar 2020 #49

They didn't rig it, neither did Obama. They're all just part of it. Ron Green Mar 2020 #54

Give me some evidence of a "rigged" system NCProgressive Mar 2020 #56

When the 1% Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #58

"Wealth" is not all ecashable. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #60

I get all that Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #63

In any dynamic and innovative economy NCProgressive Mar 2020 #65

Ways to redistribute wealth include Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #68

All our candidates are for what you stated - not just Bernie NCProgressive Mar 2020 #71

I agree that our candidates Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #73

OK, SO EVERYONE IS NOT AS SMART AS YOU. Ron Green Mar 2020 #64

This is not about being right or wrong NCProgressive Mar 2020 #66

So have you answered your question yet? Ron Green Mar 2020 #77

"Only Bernie".... no he isn't the only one. He lead you to believe it, but it is not so. Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #87

I'm not hearing him promising free stuff. Ron Green Mar 2020 #94

If you've got a large, intricate and involved organization you don't appoint a concert pianist.... George II Mar 2020 #62

They're not corrupt. They just do what they do. Ron Green Mar 2020 #74

Actually, you know and I know that there is no "free" stuff NYMinute Mar 2020 #42

You raise very good points mcar Mar 2020 #35

To me, settling for Biden represents... TCJ70 Mar 2020 #46

I am not asking why you're supporting Bernie -- your answers are fine. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #47

Yet you seem to think your candidate will magically mcar Mar 2020 #69

I neither said, nor believe, any such thing... TCJ70 Mar 2020 #98

i lay some at bernies door his rhetoric about who is rival is..look at how he spoke about dawn5651 Mar 2020 #67

The trouble accepting staying in the same old rut. rickyhall Mar 2020 #75

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You're answering why you're supporting Bernie. I get that. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #81

Gee, I don't be know... maybe because the primary race is still on?! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #108

....... ehrnst Mar 2020 #118

I don't have a hard time accepting that Bernie is losing. 10 days ago he wasn't pampango Mar 2020 #82

Thank you for a reasonable and rational response. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #83

Right again!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #110

I would say this goes for Biden supporters as well. mysteryowl Mar 2020 #84

This is the truth. mountain grammy Mar 2020 #89

True. I have the same views as you. mysteryowl Mar 2020 #119

I discovered this today mrs_p Mar 2020 #121

I think we're seeing a serious schism in our Party. It's possible we may see the Party fracture jalan48 Mar 2020 #85

That would be Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #88

Yes it would be a big problem. jalan48 Mar 2020 #92

I think most are tired of always having marlakay Mar 2020 #116

Then the young people need to get out and vote. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #120

I agree but I was talking about marlakay Mar 2020 #123

There is a saying called "cutting one's nose to spite the face" NCProgressive Mar 2020 #93

I wish everyone could agree on the radical changes that are needed to meet the problems we are jalan48 Mar 2020 #96

I was also a Hillary supporter in 2008. If you give that campaign CentralMass Mar 2020 #90

That has been debunked already NCProgressive Mar 2020 #95

There ard other studies that support it. CentralMass Mar 2020 #99

I think you're right about that...Bernie's supporters are some of the most loyal Democrats there are InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #105

In two words "Existential Dread" BlueWeirdo Mar 2020 #91

It's hard for those who see The Mouth Mar 2020 #100

My healthcare premium is double my mortgage. I could lose my house without drastic action Liberty Belle Mar 2020 #126

Bernie would not have helped you. showblue22 Mar 2020 #127

sanders staying will only hurt him Gothmog Mar 2020 #131