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mrs_p

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55. You can't blame Trump

Reply to John Fante (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 11, 2020, 03:51 PM

Mar 2020

On young people. That’s ridiculous.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Like it or not Biden has to win over Sander's supporters [View all] Legends303 Mar 2020 OP

No. Young voters do not turn out, or bernie would have a lead. Poeraria Mar 2020 #1

He still needs to build a coalition mrs_p Mar 2020 #6

It's been built. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #7

Snarky, nice mrs_p Mar 2020 #22

Like I said, it's been built. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #24

Ok mrs_p Mar 2020 #28

"Lose dems"? If you don't vote for the nominee, were you really a Democrat in the first place? zackymilly Mar 2020 #47

Whacking oneself in the forehead won't fix it. KPN Mar 2020 #62

Neither will threats of not voting. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #64

"Threats"? Not sure there's any real hostage taking going on. KPN Mar 2020 #83

"Elections have consequences." ---President Obama zackymilly Mar 2020 #90

Who said anything about Sanders being the nominee? Totally unrelated. Guess I haven't seen anyone KPN Mar 2020 #163

Don't BComplex Mar 2020 #180

Welcome to DU. zackymilly Mar 2020 #194

If removing Republicans isn't inspiration Cary Mar 2020 #183

I've been working for this mrs_p Mar 2020 #71

Well give them a call and explain to them what's at stake. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #72

It should also come from the mrs_p Mar 2020 #74

i keep saying this but if someone does not understand the danger of not.. samnsara Mar 2020 #140

Goddamned right. Codeine Mar 2020 #149

"The candidate and his supporters" have been crystal clear from Day One about what is at stake. Hekate Mar 2020 #152

What is it you'd like to hear? dawg day Mar 2020 #160

Great question. Thank you for asking. mrs_p Mar 2020 #162

Exactly. nt eilen Mar 2020 #117

Taking Any Votes For Granted Terry_M Mar 2020 #178

This threat again? mcar Mar 2020 #106

This is a lot of young folks mrs_p Mar 2020 #115

No, they should grow up Codeine Mar 2020 #125

This thread would have changed your vote? GemDigger Mar 2020 #130

Yes mrs_p Mar 2020 #134

There is no animosity. Codeine Mar 2020 #148

You just proved my point. Thanks mcar Mar 2020 #136

I would have voted and I will vote mrs_p Mar 2020 #137

But you said you'd never vote for Bernie mcar Mar 2020 #139

Please. mrs_p Mar 2020 #145

They're going to hold their breath until they turn blue. nt Codeine Mar 2020 #124

Trump's followers are called the "deplorables," Bernie's should be known as the "implacables" sop Mar 2020 #181

Good one treestar Mar 2020 #198

Bernouts are not Democrats!!!! Poeraria Mar 2020 #196

Sad to think treestar Mar 2020 #199

Bernouts will never turn our for Biden. Court rational young people. Poeraria Mar 2020 #12

There are many people in his mrs_p Mar 2020 #23

Where were all these Bernie people when the polls opened? Why weren't they moved by Bernie? zackymilly Mar 2020 #51

They were here in this red state mrs_p Mar 2020 #54

Doesn't the fact that DT is POTUS move them? pandr32 Mar 2020 #53

Not if there is no message of hope mrs_p Mar 2020 #57

So there's hope with trump? Betting on hope with trump is a sucker's bet. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #59

A lot of people don't mrs_p Mar 2020 #66

Sometimes you can't always get what you want, and you have to settle. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #67

This is not a normal election pandr32 Mar 2020 #111

Who cares what they "want"? Codeine Mar 2020 #126

Thanks. I wanted to say the same thing, but..n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #138

It helps that I'm a complete asshole. Codeine Mar 2020 #144

Everyone needs an asshole to get the stink out. zackymilly Mar 2020 #147

18 percent voted jimfields33 Mar 2020 #153

That is true only in the sense that they want someone they know can beat trump. Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #170

Message of hope? Jeezus. Codeine Mar 2020 #97

Did the fact that DT could become POTUS move enough people last time? Terry_M Mar 2020 #179

Their needs? MFM008 Mar 2020 #29

Free stuff Demguy81 Mar 2020 #32

Do you have 100k plus of school loans? mrs_p Mar 2020 #33

I hear you Demguy81 Mar 2020 #34

But is this how the dem party mrs_p Mar 2020 #36

The message is going to be of hope. Demguy81 Mar 2020 #39

This is Bernie talking points circa 2016 mcar Mar 2020 #112

I've done my homework mrs_p Mar 2020 #121

So, then you know Biden's message is not mcar Mar 2020 #123

"I'm not Trump so vote for me." progressoid Mar 2020 #188

That's not Biden's message. Codeine Mar 2020 #154

older people could count up their troubles too treestar Mar 2020 #42

Older people rule the world mrs_p Mar 2020 #48

So we are accused of fucking up the world treestar Mar 2020 #61

No. I come from poor people mrs_p Mar 2020 #63

I don't think there is nasty snark treestar Mar 2020 #79

Fair points mrs_p Mar 2020 #132

Oh please mcar Mar 2020 #109

If young people want to feel less powerless Codeine Mar 2020 #143

A few old rich men rule the world- dawg day Mar 2020 #168

I have a 15 year old daughter, and a twelve year old daughter LuvLoogie Mar 2020 #45

when you want something MFM008 Mar 2020 #85

I don't think people here don't care about young people. Jedi Guy Mar 2020 #89

Love your reply mrs_p Mar 2020 #99

Was Sanders going to forgive student loans? dawg day Mar 2020 #171

I am in total agreement mrs_p Mar 2020 #173

Young voters ignored their own needs in 2016. John Fante Mar 2020 #50

You can't blame Trump mrs_p Mar 2020 #55

I didn't blame young voters for Trump, but they didn't turn out in numbers John Fante Mar 2020 #60

True dat... don't see how that's even disputable!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #116

"He can't just ignore them and their needs." -- Oh, for fuck's sake! Stop it, will ya?! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #197

The voter turnout has been higher in 2020 compared KPN Mar 2020 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author hangaleft Mar 2020 #141

No he really doesn't, and he really can't Happyhippychick Mar 2020 #2

Young voters bailed on Sanders Kaleva Mar 2020 #3

No he doesn't. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #4

They better wake up. Ruth Bader Ginsburg won't be around forever. nt oasis Mar 2020 #113

They don't care. Being able to say "told you so" is more important... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #120

Biden can't win them all over and he doesn't need to. stopbush Mar 2020 #5

If Sanders is the nominee he has to win over Biden supporters, and he has given no indication that still_one Mar 2020 #8

So Biden shouldn't be like Sanders mrs_p Mar 2020 #25

but he can't change his policies to Bernie's treestar Mar 2020 #44

No. But perhaps at least mrs_p Mar 2020 #52

He has. And he will.He will get the forgiveness program up and running, expand it dramatically, emmaverybo Mar 2020 #88

Those are great! mrs_p Mar 2020 #93

We already know what they care about and we don't want to give free tuition NYMinute Mar 2020 #49

That's what they never tell us; HOW to win them over treestar Mar 2020 #68

They need a messiah. NYMinute Mar 2020 #70

There is an entire generation mrs_p Mar 2020 #69

The ones that can't pay the debts are mainly graduates of unmarketable fields. NYMinute Mar 2020 #73

That's simply not true mrs_p Mar 2020 #78

There are degrees and there are degrees NYMinute Mar 2020 #80

Most of the people I know mrs_p Mar 2020 #87

Perhaps they should have done some market research NYMinute Mar 2020 #133

These are doctors mrs_p Mar 2020 #135

Doctors can get their tuition debt paid off NYMinute Mar 2020 #146

Loan forgiveness isn't happening mrs_p Mar 2020 #151

And families, including elderly and disabled members, are experiencing an epidemic of foreclosures, emmaverybo Mar 2020 #92

I think that's what many of us think-- we have to think past the slogan to all the considerations- dawg day Mar 2020 #172

Fuck that . Hillary tried... so not worth it. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #166

++++++ NYMinute Mar 2020 #175

You mean #bendtheknee wasn't enough to convince you?! Codeine Mar 2020 #155

You can't win over those that don't want to be won over. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #9

Exactly treestar Mar 2020 #40

Why? They don't vote. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #10

He certainly does. Buzz cook Mar 2020 #11

biden needs to do nothing, its up to the young voters if they are better off with trump or not, beachbumbob Mar 2020 #13

No. Think long term mrs_p Mar 2020 #38

Historically, the young don't turn out to vote and there still is a Dem Party. Kaleva Mar 2020 #75

if they attention to the news and not the latest WOW game, they will be engaged, nobody beachbumbob Mar 2020 #91

Sanders needs to win over the black voters and suburban and rural white voters frazzled Mar 2020 #14

Too late Sucha NastyWoman Mar 2020 #16

I was being sarcastic. frazzled Mar 2020 #19

that's so true, Bernie could not win without that treestar Mar 2020 #41

+++++++++++++++++++++++ emmaverybo Mar 2020 #94

Nothing will endear these people to vote for Biden, if Trump doesn't already do it. Nothing. LizBeth Mar 2020 #15

No he doesn't SiliconValley_Dem Mar 2020 #17

Biden's coalition is already deep and wide. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #18

No he shouldn't mercuryblues Mar 2020 #20

Like it or not Bernie has to get his base to support Biden romana Mar 2020 #21

Bernie is NOT Going to A Leader. Count on him Doing as Little as Possible to Bring along His Support Indykatie Mar 2020 #31

Hopefully he won't have to win them over. Hopefully Trump will push them over. nt LAS14 Mar 2020 #26

If they didn't go out to vote for Bernie they sure as hell are not in a GE. showblue22 Mar 2020 #27

Nope... we will need to run an even more "centrist" lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #30

NO HE DOESN'T!111! progressoid Mar 2020 #35

why do they have to be "won over" when Dump in office is not in their interests treestar Mar 2020 #65

Same reason any voter needs to be "won over." So we can fucking win. progressoid Mar 2020 #96

Well then how are they to be won over? treestar Mar 2020 #98

They are not the same as who? progressoid Mar 2020 #100

Well how are they to be won over? treestar Mar 2020 #114

Yes we do have to win over Pete and Amy's voters. progressoid Mar 2020 #122

I'm fifty years old, I've always voted, Codeine Mar 2020 #157

Have you ever canvassed door to door? progressoid Mar 2020 #176

This "you have to win me over" is a new thing StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #165

Your anecdotal experience is not evidence progressoid Mar 2020 #177

It does feel very alien to me. Codeine Mar 2020 #184

Precisely StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #186

Who said anything about demanding to be inspired? progressoid Mar 2020 #187

I realize the Sanders supporters have to make a decision: Jarqui Mar 2020 #37

Maybe if Bernie had tried to win over any other candidates supporters, he wouldn't be losing StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #43

A veiled threat? NYMinute Mar 2020 #46

Nope. He won, and it's either him or Trump. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #56

I'm sure that's one reason Joe complimentd Berbie and his campaign last night in his speech. napi21 Mar 2020 #58

No he fucking doesn't. This game has not helped BSs opponents Squinch Mar 2020 #76

He has to win over people who won't vote? Why? Clash City Rocker Mar 2020 #81

Win over people who did not come out for their own candidate? The hard-core Berners who emmaverybo Mar 2020 #82

If they are so "progressive" that they need to be convinced to vote for Biden... Renew Deal Mar 2020 #84

Sanders Democratic supporters are Democrats and already on board. Hortensis Mar 2020 #86

I don't see Bernie winning with them. William769 Mar 2020 #95

Trump will do that job for Biden. Most Sanders people hate Trump. Funtatlaguy Mar 2020 #101

No one was ever REQUIRED to win me over. C_U_L8R Mar 2020 #102

Exactly. Codeine Mar 2020 #159

I don't think special plays to the youth are needed bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #103

Are they really that stupid to not comprehend the threat trump represents? Hoyt Mar 2020 #104

No he doesn't. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #105

I was 23 when i voted for obama the first time dsp3000 Mar 2020 #107

PS: When are you guys going to stop with that "young voters" nonsense? Squinch Mar 2020 #108

The young need Biden to beat Trump more than any other demographic. oasis Mar 2020 #110

Like it or not, if Trump isn't enough to vote for the Democratic nominee, then NOTHING will convince still_one Mar 2020 #118

if they dont see the danger of not voting for the dem nom WHOMEVER it is.. samnsara Mar 2020 #119

Agreed. underpants Mar 2020 #127

It's not whether or not I like it. It just isn't really true. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #128

BS has lost time to get over it ! stonecutter357 Mar 2020 #129

It is up to them to fall in line for the winning candidate, the Nominee. eilen Mar 2020 #131

Like it or not, the election will be between Biden and Trump. Choose wisely. PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #142

Like it or not Sanders has to tell his supporters to grow up. The rest of the voters are speaking... Hekate Mar 2020 #150

From reading through this Bettie Mar 2020 #156

No, but I do send a BIIIG "fuck you" Codeine Mar 2020 #161

Anyone who would fail to do everything possible to stop Trump deserves far more than a few nasty words LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #164

Would it cost you all that much Bettie Mar 2020 #169

Why would they feel awful? Codeine Mar 2020 #185

I am sympathetic to anyone who feels let down, but LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #189

People shouldn't have to be inspired to vote against Trump. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #174

And yet, it costs nothing to be less nasty to Bettie Mar 2020 #182

Those young Obama voters are lot older now, lol. dawg day Mar 2020 #158

I'm sure Joe won't need a single Bernie supporter to crush Trump. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #167

I'm sure Bernie supporters care if we have four more years of Trump. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #192

Biden versus Trump should be a no brainer for any voters, even young ones ecdab Mar 2020 #190

Like it or not, Sanders supporters have a choice between Biden and Trump. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #191

why are they the only ones trying to use leverage? treestar Mar 2020 #193

Why can't we phrase this as "like it or not, Sanders' supporters have to suck it up... Tarc Mar 2020 #195

Naaaah.... BooScout Mar 2020 #200

+++ still_one Mar 2020 #201

Young voters failed to show up for Sanders stopdiggin Mar 2020 #202

Maybe not Gothmog Mar 2020 #203