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ecdab

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190. Biden versus Trump should be a no brainer for any voters, even young ones

Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:47 AM

Mar 2020

There is this weird vibe moving through some of Bernie's folks that they're going to let Trump walk to victory if Biden doesn't give them some ethereal something. The folks that allow themselves to sound that way really need to understand that they don't sound very clever and they don't sound very progressive. What they sound like is either a low information voter or a Russian/GOP troll spouting divisive nonsense.

I like big ideas and I like Bernie even if there are things about his campaign that I don't like. But this whole "give me something more or I'll stay home and watch Trump win" stuff serves no purpose. I get the general sense that most folks spouting this stuff haven't even looked at what Biden is running on other than through the lens that his campaign opposition has provided to them. Maybe some folks should give Biden a clear eyed look now that Bernie has no path victory and see what is actually there instead of demanding some kind of something.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Like it or not Biden has to win over Sander's supporters [View all] Legends303 Mar 2020 OP

No. Young voters do not turn out, or bernie would have a lead. Poeraria Mar 2020 #1

He still needs to build a coalition mrs_p Mar 2020 #6

It's been built. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #7

Snarky, nice mrs_p Mar 2020 #22

Like I said, it's been built. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #24

Ok mrs_p Mar 2020 #28

"Lose dems"? If you don't vote for the nominee, were you really a Democrat in the first place? zackymilly Mar 2020 #47

Whacking oneself in the forehead won't fix it. KPN Mar 2020 #62

Neither will threats of not voting. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #64

"Threats"? Not sure there's any real hostage taking going on. KPN Mar 2020 #83

"Elections have consequences." ---President Obama zackymilly Mar 2020 #90

Who said anything about Sanders being the nominee? Totally unrelated. Guess I haven't seen anyone KPN Mar 2020 #163

Don't BComplex Mar 2020 #180

Welcome to DU. zackymilly Mar 2020 #194

If removing Republicans isn't inspiration Cary Mar 2020 #183

I've been working for this mrs_p Mar 2020 #71

Well give them a call and explain to them what's at stake. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #72

It should also come from the mrs_p Mar 2020 #74

i keep saying this but if someone does not understand the danger of not.. samnsara Mar 2020 #140

Goddamned right. Codeine Mar 2020 #149

"The candidate and his supporters" have been crystal clear from Day One about what is at stake. Hekate Mar 2020 #152

What is it you'd like to hear? dawg day Mar 2020 #160

Great question. Thank you for asking. mrs_p Mar 2020 #162

Exactly. nt eilen Mar 2020 #117

Taking Any Votes For Granted Terry_M Mar 2020 #178

This threat again? mcar Mar 2020 #106

This is a lot of young folks mrs_p Mar 2020 #115

No, they should grow up Codeine Mar 2020 #125

This thread would have changed your vote? GemDigger Mar 2020 #130

Yes mrs_p Mar 2020 #134

There is no animosity. Codeine Mar 2020 #148

You just proved my point. Thanks mcar Mar 2020 #136

I would have voted and I will vote mrs_p Mar 2020 #137

But you said you'd never vote for Bernie mcar Mar 2020 #139

Please. mrs_p Mar 2020 #145

They're going to hold their breath until they turn blue. nt Codeine Mar 2020 #124

Trump's followers are called the "deplorables," Bernie's should be known as the "implacables" sop Mar 2020 #181

Good one treestar Mar 2020 #198

Bernouts are not Democrats!!!! Poeraria Mar 2020 #196

Sad to think treestar Mar 2020 #199

Bernouts will never turn our for Biden. Court rational young people. Poeraria Mar 2020 #12

There are many people in his mrs_p Mar 2020 #23

Where were all these Bernie people when the polls opened? Why weren't they moved by Bernie? zackymilly Mar 2020 #51

They were here in this red state mrs_p Mar 2020 #54

Doesn't the fact that DT is POTUS move them? pandr32 Mar 2020 #53

Not if there is no message of hope mrs_p Mar 2020 #57

So there's hope with trump? Betting on hope with trump is a sucker's bet. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #59

A lot of people don't mrs_p Mar 2020 #66

Sometimes you can't always get what you want, and you have to settle. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #67

This is not a normal election pandr32 Mar 2020 #111

Who cares what they "want"? Codeine Mar 2020 #126

Thanks. I wanted to say the same thing, but..n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #138

It helps that I'm a complete asshole. Codeine Mar 2020 #144

Everyone needs an asshole to get the stink out. zackymilly Mar 2020 #147

18 percent voted jimfields33 Mar 2020 #153

That is true only in the sense that they want someone they know can beat trump. Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #170

Message of hope? Jeezus. Codeine Mar 2020 #97

Did the fact that DT could become POTUS move enough people last time? Terry_M Mar 2020 #179

Their needs? MFM008 Mar 2020 #29

Free stuff Demguy81 Mar 2020 #32

Do you have 100k plus of school loans? mrs_p Mar 2020 #33

I hear you Demguy81 Mar 2020 #34

But is this how the dem party mrs_p Mar 2020 #36

The message is going to be of hope. Demguy81 Mar 2020 #39

This is Bernie talking points circa 2016 mcar Mar 2020 #112

I've done my homework mrs_p Mar 2020 #121

So, then you know Biden's message is not mcar Mar 2020 #123

"I'm not Trump so vote for me." progressoid Mar 2020 #188

That's not Biden's message. Codeine Mar 2020 #154

older people could count up their troubles too treestar Mar 2020 #42

Older people rule the world mrs_p Mar 2020 #48

So we are accused of fucking up the world treestar Mar 2020 #61

No. I come from poor people mrs_p Mar 2020 #63

I don't think there is nasty snark treestar Mar 2020 #79

Fair points mrs_p Mar 2020 #132

Oh please mcar Mar 2020 #109

If young people want to feel less powerless Codeine Mar 2020 #143

A few old rich men rule the world- dawg day Mar 2020 #168

I have a 15 year old daughter, and a twelve year old daughter LuvLoogie Mar 2020 #45

when you want something MFM008 Mar 2020 #85

I don't think people here don't care about young people. Jedi Guy Mar 2020 #89

Love your reply mrs_p Mar 2020 #99

Was Sanders going to forgive student loans? dawg day Mar 2020 #171

I am in total agreement mrs_p Mar 2020 #173

Young voters ignored their own needs in 2016. John Fante Mar 2020 #50

You can't blame Trump mrs_p Mar 2020 #55

I didn't blame young voters for Trump, but they didn't turn out in numbers John Fante Mar 2020 #60

True dat... don't see how that's even disputable!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #116

"He can't just ignore them and their needs." -- Oh, for fuck's sake! Stop it, will ya?! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #197

The voter turnout has been higher in 2020 compared KPN Mar 2020 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author hangaleft Mar 2020 #141

No he really doesn't, and he really can't Happyhippychick Mar 2020 #2

Young voters bailed on Sanders Kaleva Mar 2020 #3

No he doesn't. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #4

They better wake up. Ruth Bader Ginsburg won't be around forever. nt oasis Mar 2020 #113

They don't care. Being able to say "told you so" is more important... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #120

Biden can't win them all over and he doesn't need to. stopbush Mar 2020 #5

If Sanders is the nominee he has to win over Biden supporters, and he has given no indication that still_one Mar 2020 #8

So Biden shouldn't be like Sanders mrs_p Mar 2020 #25

but he can't change his policies to Bernie's treestar Mar 2020 #44

No. But perhaps at least mrs_p Mar 2020 #52

He has. And he will.He will get the forgiveness program up and running, expand it dramatically, emmaverybo Mar 2020 #88

Those are great! mrs_p Mar 2020 #93

We already know what they care about and we don't want to give free tuition NYMinute Mar 2020 #49

That's what they never tell us; HOW to win them over treestar Mar 2020 #68

They need a messiah. NYMinute Mar 2020 #70

There is an entire generation mrs_p Mar 2020 #69

The ones that can't pay the debts are mainly graduates of unmarketable fields. NYMinute Mar 2020 #73

That's simply not true mrs_p Mar 2020 #78

There are degrees and there are degrees NYMinute Mar 2020 #80

Most of the people I know mrs_p Mar 2020 #87

Perhaps they should have done some market research NYMinute Mar 2020 #133

These are doctors mrs_p Mar 2020 #135

Doctors can get their tuition debt paid off NYMinute Mar 2020 #146

Loan forgiveness isn't happening mrs_p Mar 2020 #151

And families, including elderly and disabled members, are experiencing an epidemic of foreclosures, emmaverybo Mar 2020 #92

I think that's what many of us think-- we have to think past the slogan to all the considerations- dawg day Mar 2020 #172

Fuck that . Hillary tried... so not worth it. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #166

++++++ NYMinute Mar 2020 #175

You mean #bendtheknee wasn't enough to convince you?! Codeine Mar 2020 #155

You can't win over those that don't want to be won over. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #9

Exactly treestar Mar 2020 #40

Why? They don't vote. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #10

He certainly does. Buzz cook Mar 2020 #11

biden needs to do nothing, its up to the young voters if they are better off with trump or not, beachbumbob Mar 2020 #13

No. Think long term mrs_p Mar 2020 #38

Historically, the young don't turn out to vote and there still is a Dem Party. Kaleva Mar 2020 #75

if they attention to the news and not the latest WOW game, they will be engaged, nobody beachbumbob Mar 2020 #91

Sanders needs to win over the black voters and suburban and rural white voters frazzled Mar 2020 #14

Too late Sucha NastyWoman Mar 2020 #16

I was being sarcastic. frazzled Mar 2020 #19

that's so true, Bernie could not win without that treestar Mar 2020 #41

+++++++++++++++++++++++ emmaverybo Mar 2020 #94

Nothing will endear these people to vote for Biden, if Trump doesn't already do it. Nothing. LizBeth Mar 2020 #15

No he doesn't SiliconValley_Dem Mar 2020 #17

Biden's coalition is already deep and wide. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #18

No he shouldn't mercuryblues Mar 2020 #20

Like it or not Bernie has to get his base to support Biden romana Mar 2020 #21

Bernie is NOT Going to A Leader. Count on him Doing as Little as Possible to Bring along His Support Indykatie Mar 2020 #31

Hopefully he won't have to win them over. Hopefully Trump will push them over. nt LAS14 Mar 2020 #26

If they didn't go out to vote for Bernie they sure as hell are not in a GE. showblue22 Mar 2020 #27

Nope... we will need to run an even more "centrist" lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #30

NO HE DOESN'T!111! progressoid Mar 2020 #35

why do they have to be "won over" when Dump in office is not in their interests treestar Mar 2020 #65

Same reason any voter needs to be "won over." So we can fucking win. progressoid Mar 2020 #96

Well then how are they to be won over? treestar Mar 2020 #98

They are not the same as who? progressoid Mar 2020 #100

Well how are they to be won over? treestar Mar 2020 #114

Yes we do have to win over Pete and Amy's voters. progressoid Mar 2020 #122

I'm fifty years old, I've always voted, Codeine Mar 2020 #157

Have you ever canvassed door to door? progressoid Mar 2020 #176

This "you have to win me over" is a new thing StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #165

Your anecdotal experience is not evidence progressoid Mar 2020 #177

It does feel very alien to me. Codeine Mar 2020 #184

Precisely StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #186

Who said anything about demanding to be inspired? progressoid Mar 2020 #187

I realize the Sanders supporters have to make a decision: Jarqui Mar 2020 #37

Maybe if Bernie had tried to win over any other candidates supporters, he wouldn't be losing StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #43

A veiled threat? NYMinute Mar 2020 #46

Nope. He won, and it's either him or Trump. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #56

I'm sure that's one reason Joe complimentd Berbie and his campaign last night in his speech. napi21 Mar 2020 #58

No he fucking doesn't. This game has not helped BSs opponents Squinch Mar 2020 #76

He has to win over people who won't vote? Why? Clash City Rocker Mar 2020 #81

Win over people who did not come out for their own candidate? The hard-core Berners who emmaverybo Mar 2020 #82

If they are so "progressive" that they need to be convinced to vote for Biden... Renew Deal Mar 2020 #84

Sanders Democratic supporters are Democrats and already on board. Hortensis Mar 2020 #86

I don't see Bernie winning with them. William769 Mar 2020 #95

Trump will do that job for Biden. Most Sanders people hate Trump. Funtatlaguy Mar 2020 #101

No one was ever REQUIRED to win me over. C_U_L8R Mar 2020 #102

Exactly. Codeine Mar 2020 #159

I don't think special plays to the youth are needed bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #103

Are they really that stupid to not comprehend the threat trump represents? Hoyt Mar 2020 #104

No he doesn't. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #105

I was 23 when i voted for obama the first time dsp3000 Mar 2020 #107

PS: When are you guys going to stop with that "young voters" nonsense? Squinch Mar 2020 #108

The young need Biden to beat Trump more than any other demographic. oasis Mar 2020 #110

Like it or not, if Trump isn't enough to vote for the Democratic nominee, then NOTHING will convince still_one Mar 2020 #118

if they dont see the danger of not voting for the dem nom WHOMEVER it is.. samnsara Mar 2020 #119

Agreed. underpants Mar 2020 #127

It's not whether or not I like it. It just isn't really true. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #128

BS has lost time to get over it ! stonecutter357 Mar 2020 #129

It is up to them to fall in line for the winning candidate, the Nominee. eilen Mar 2020 #131

Like it or not, the election will be between Biden and Trump. Choose wisely. PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #142

Like it or not Sanders has to tell his supporters to grow up. The rest of the voters are speaking... Hekate Mar 2020 #150

From reading through this Bettie Mar 2020 #156

No, but I do send a BIIIG "fuck you" Codeine Mar 2020 #161

Anyone who would fail to do everything possible to stop Trump deserves far more than a few nasty words LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #164

Would it cost you all that much Bettie Mar 2020 #169

Why would they feel awful? Codeine Mar 2020 #185

I am sympathetic to anyone who feels let down, but LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #189

People shouldn't have to be inspired to vote against Trump. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #174

And yet, it costs nothing to be less nasty to Bettie Mar 2020 #182

Those young Obama voters are lot older now, lol. dawg day Mar 2020 #158

I'm sure Joe won't need a single Bernie supporter to crush Trump. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #167

I'm sure Bernie supporters care if we have four more years of Trump. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #192

Biden versus Trump should be a no brainer for any voters, even young ones ecdab Mar 2020 #190

Like it or not, Sanders supporters have a choice between Biden and Trump. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #191

why are they the only ones trying to use leverage? treestar Mar 2020 #193

Why can't we phrase this as "like it or not, Sanders' supporters have to suck it up... Tarc Mar 2020 #195

Naaaah.... BooScout Mar 2020 #200

+++ still_one Mar 2020 #201

Young voters failed to show up for Sanders stopdiggin Mar 2020 #202

Maybe not Gothmog Mar 2020 #203