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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: A question for Bernie supporters (and others may comment as well) [View all]Gothmog
(154,643 posts)131. sanders staying will only hurt him
sanders not dropping out may help Biden. sanders keeps on losing primaries by large margins nnly strenghten's Joe's position https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/11/no-surprise-bernie-sanders-is-still-all-about-himself-never-party/
Sanderss remaining in the race should serve several salutary purposes for the party and the country. First, seeing him lose overwhelmingly week after week will dispel the notion that the Democratic Party has moved left, or that he is in a dominant position to negotiate with the overwhelming winner. Its not clear why the Biden camp should give Sanders anything.
Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....
Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.
Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sundays debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.
Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....
Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.
Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sundays debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.
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A question for Bernie supporters (and others may comment as well) [View all]
NCProgressive
Mar 2020
OP
Yeah, I was a HUGE Elizabeth supporter too... Bernie, however, did just edge her out
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2020
#104
Warren was such a good choice. I can't believe she didn't get a closer look.
musicblind
Mar 2020
#124
I blame Youth Soccer for many of their social problems and inability to cope with disappointment.
NurseJackie
Mar 2020
#31
Then there are the helicopter parents who call the University when little Johnny is failing.
redstatebluegirl
Mar 2020
#86
Chuck Daly, former Detroit Pistons coach, used to say, "if you're gong to lose, lose big".
LisaM
Mar 2020
#3
Every candidate's supporters get dissatisfied .. but they support the nominee
NCProgressive
Mar 2020
#34
Does it matter when looking to keep Trump in office that hurts ALL of us? Does it even matter a
LizBeth
Mar 2020
#9
The problem is that the question implies this is only an issue with Sanders' supporters.
progressoid
Mar 2020
#55
Make Boomers die of C-virus? That's an unbelievably vile Tweet. What is your point?
Hekate
Mar 2020
#102
The only study I've seen showed that 24% of her supporters actually voted for McCain
JudyM
Mar 2020
#19
Seriously. Winning 10% of all Dem votes doesn't winning 10% of HRC's voters. So not disproved.
JudyM
Mar 2020
#112
No, I'm pointing out that the article you pointed to as proof doesn't prove it without all the
JudyM
Mar 2020
#115
no, it is true, the the total defection rate was around 30% (5% did not vote or left POTUS blank)
Celerity
Mar 2020
#122
BIIIIIINNGGOOOO!! It was the year of the PUMA!! Bernie supporters are loyal Democrats!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2020
#109
They are young, but some of the older ones really believe all of this is "free" it is not.
redstatebluegirl
Mar 2020
#28
I think the angriest are independents who finally see themselves in Bernie and Bernie had a chance.
aikoaiko
Mar 2020
#12
yes, not all independents are for Bernie. I didn't think I needed to say that.
aikoaiko
Mar 2020
#38
"Only Bernie".... no he isn't the only one. He lead you to believe it, but it is not so.
Thekaspervote
Mar 2020
#87
If you've got a large, intricate and involved organization you don't appoint a concert pianist....
George II
Mar 2020
#62
i lay some at bernies door his rhetoric about who is rival is..look at how he spoke about
dawn5651
Mar 2020
#67
I don't have a hard time accepting that Bernie is losing. 10 days ago he wasn't
pampango
Mar 2020
#82
I think we're seeing a serious schism in our Party. It's possible we may see the Party fracture
jalan48
Mar 2020
#85
I wish everyone could agree on the radical changes that are needed to meet the problems we are
jalan48
Mar 2020
#96
I think you're right about that...Bernie's supporters are some of the most loyal Democrats there are
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2020
#105
My healthcare premium is double my mortgage. I could lose my house without drastic action
Liberty Belle
Mar 2020
#126