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SunSeeker

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Sat Mar 14, 2020, 02:31 PM Mar 2020

WaPo: On the 2008 bailout, Biden is right and Sanders is wrong [View all]

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.) has decided to keep running for the Democratic presidential nomination, at least through Sunday’s one-on-one debate with former vice president Joe Biden. That means we can probably expect to hear more from Mr. Sanders about how wrong it was of Mr. Biden to vote, as a senator, for the 2008 bill establishing the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) — a.k.a., the Wall Street bailout. “Joe bailed out the crooks on Wall Street that nearly destroyed our economy 12 years ago,” Sanders said in a recent Fox News town hall. “These guys, after destroying the economy, they came to Congress . . . and said ‘bail us out.’ ” The democratic socialist launched similar attacks on his 2016 rival for the nomination, Hillary Clinton.

As they say in Brooklyn — enough, already. The truth is that support for TARP should be considered a basic demonstration of political maturity and pragmatism, not some sort of betrayal of the working class. The TARP vote reflects well on Mr. Biden, and poorly on Mr. Sanders, who joined with 24 other senators from the left wing of the Democratic Party and the far right of the Republican Party in opposition.

Some relevant historical context: The outgoing Bush administration and the Democrats who controlled both houses of Congress had few good options for dealing with a once-in-a-century global financial collapse. As experts from the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department told the politicians, however, one sure way to turn the worst recession since the Great Depression into, well, another Great Depression, would have been to let the banking sector collapse and take millions of American households down with it. No doubt Wall Street irresponsibility played a big part in creating the crisis, as Mr. Sanders says, but the appropriate way to deal with that was to fix regulations — not to make a punitive point at the expense of Main Street.

The Obama administration inherited TARP and wisely administered it so that both banking and the auto industry were able to come back. Both of these economic pillars are much better positioned financially to withstand a major shock than they were in 2008, which is why, amid much discussion about the possible need to rescue various industries from the impact of the coronavirus, no one has yet mentioned Wall Street or Detroit. TARPended up using $426.4 billion of its available $700 billion to take equity in banks, a major insurer and two of the Big Three automakers, as well as to extend various loans. By the end of 2014, it had recovered $441.7 billion — a small profit which, even if not adjusted for inflation or uncompensated credit risks, still looks like a pretty good deal for taxpayers, compared to the costs of doing nothing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/on-the-2008-bailout-biden-is-right-and-sanders-is-wrong/2020/03/12/4e47ae20-63b5-11ea-845d-e35b0234b136_story.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Of course the actions of the Obama administration comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #1
Sanders did not want to guillotine the bankers. This opinion piece is wrong when it says... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #8
I understand but lots of lefties demanded that they comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #12
Sanders was not demanding prosecutions. But he wanted the bailout financed differently. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #16
I don't recall mentioning Sanders in my post so why are you comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #18
I thought your initial post was agreeing with the opinion piece in the OP... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #21
They had broken the law c_junk Mar 2020 #25
I wonder what BS thinks would have happened to the assets Hav Mar 2020 #2
Interesting how throwing Wellstone ruled Mar 2020 #3
Oh ouch!! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #4
The bailout was necessary - for bankers to get their bonuses... PoliticAverse Mar 2020 #5
It was centrist, business as usual, patty cake with Wall Street. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #6
Eoooo "Centrists".. omg! Cha Mar 2020 #15
You didn't say I was wrong. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #19
"Centrists"!!! omg Moderates who Won us the House in 2018! Cha Mar 2020 #23
If the bailout didn't occur and the banks failed, MILLIONS of Americans in the 99% would have lost.. George II Mar 2020 #7
Sanders supported a bailout, but thought it needed to be fixed, as he explained at the time... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #9
He always has a reason for voting against something he "supports". George II Mar 2020 #10
Who doesn't? Most votes of significance are a balance of good and bad, and you have to decide... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #11
OF course.. "Enough Already! Thank you, SunSeeker! Cha Mar 2020 #13
Just one more thing to add to the long and growing list of reasons I cannot stand him. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #14
Sanders was in favor of the bailout, but not the way it was financed. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #17
There's always an excuse for him, isn't there? I've had enough excuses. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #20
Quite a few other Senators voted the same way Sanders did... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #22
He can never find a way to justify voting for the good. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #24
re: "He can never find a way to justify voting for the good." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #26
He's a fly in the ointment. That's really nothing to be proud of. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #29
I gave you examples of the crime bill and obamacare, which I guess you count as some of... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #30
Brady bill. (And I'm sure there's a "reasonable excuse" for that as well, eh?) NurseJackie Mar 2020 #31
I guess you typed that before I edited to include a gimme for the gun votes. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #32
HIPAA. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #33
Sanders voted yes on HIPAA like everyone else. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #34
So his smears and lies about the Democratic party are okay with you? NurseJackie Mar 2020 #35
re" Nobody is bashing Bernie" - Of course they are, with lies and misrepresentations, thesquanderer Mar 2020 #38
You've got a computer, look it up yourself. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #39
You mean HIPAA? I DID look it up. That's how I got the link I posted before... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #40
You know exactly what I'm talking about. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #41
Looks like you posted that before seeing my 1:05 edit, which I made when I realized... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #42
Yes... because my response of "HIPAA" may have been referring to something other than HIPAA. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #43
I think you've mixed up the posts. I was replying to your post #39. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #44
I told you already: You're on your own. I'm tired of these games. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #45
I did not insinuate you were a liar/dishonest. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #46
Now you're splitting hairs and making a very weak argument. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #47
Look at the time stamps. It was edited BEFORE you replied, thesquanderer Mar 2020 #48
Doesn't matter. I saw what I saw and you edited while I was typing. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #49
In the interest of complete transparency... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #50
It really doesn't matter what the reason or motivation was for editing... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #51
Again, saying that someone may be pulling something out of their ass (if they can't support it)... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #53
Thanks for proving my point. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #54
re: "Did you or did you not edit for your own benefit? Case closed." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #55
No... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #56
Two things... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #57
One uncomfortable item that I have come to believe is that Senator Sanders, Blue_true Mar 2020 #28
I don't disagree with Bernie that bankers got off too light, BUT.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #27
They should have bailed out the home owners. iwannaknow Mar 2020 #36
Of course. But they could get that passed. Dems did what they could do. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #37
Too Big To Fail...Too Big To Exist BidenBacker Mar 2020 #52
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