Democratic Primaries

TwilightZone

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38. Moderate and moderate Democrat aren't even the same thing.

Thu Mar 19, 2020, 04:37 PM

Mar 2020

That's a corollary to your point about moderate. Joe Biden might be a moderate Democrat (relative to Warren, etc.), but he's not a moderate. Joe Manchin is a moderate.

Establishment is just a catch-all for everyone who doesn't agree with whoever is using the term. It's meaningless.

The usage of "corporatist" around here is a joke. It's a real word and one that has a very different meaning from that assigned to it by "progressives". It means that one believes in an organization being run by large interest groups. For example, the agriculture industry would be run by farmers or cooperatives. Oh, the humanity!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie just plain F'd up. [View all] garybeck Mar 2020 OP

He did not accept that label. He EMBRACED it. MineralMan Mar 2020 #1

yes, i said exactly that. and that was his downfall. n't garybeck Mar 2020 #2

The word "accepted" is ambiguous enough to suggest that the label was thrust upon him by others... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #8

Do you really think that is Bernie's only problem?? Mars and Minerva Mar 2020 #10

Telling the TRUTH was his downfall? Interesting take. Hortensis Mar 2020 #46

Agree, it wasn't a "label" that doomed him, radius777 Mar 2020 #56

universal health care did not help Italy AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #77

Italy has a good healthcare system. Our party is COMMITTED Hortensis Mar 2020 #80

He Began With It, Sir --- No One Pinned It On Him The Magistrate Mar 2020 #3

that's not the point garybeck Mar 2020 #9

It Is Part Of His Identity, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #16

True that. ucrdem Mar 2020 #22

New England Is An Odd Duck, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #25

Nicely done! ucrdem Mar 2020 #29

So good to see you back, sir, with your finely toned rhetoric and GoneOffShore Mar 2020 #33

Too much socialist oppo on him to deny it. In less than a... brush Mar 2020 #61

Yep, and the repugs have tons of oppo on him they're just... brush Mar 2020 #59

+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #60

By the time he decided to run for president, it was way too late, there were too many examples sop Mar 2020 #4

Very astute observations. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #5

He Can't Admit Making A Mistake, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #11

He should have dumped the label -- I've been saying that for years. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #6

Yeah, that ".. no one can stop me.. " didn't Cha Mar 2020 #63

Social democrat is better dawg day Mar 2020 #7

agree. garybeck Mar 2020 #14

True, but he doesn't want to be identified as a Democrat. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #37

Most labels should be dropped frazzled Mar 2020 #12

Moderate and moderate Democrat aren't even the same thing. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #38

The corporate bugaboo is especially nutty Aquaria Mar 2020 #48

+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #57

Castro was a mistake but coronavirus was waiting in the wings ucrdem Mar 2020 #13

We've been in chaos mode for years now Aquaria Mar 2020 #49

I Think There are Several Reasons that Keep Bernie From Winning The Nomination That Have Nothing to Indykatie Mar 2020 #58

Truth. So many negatives, it's amazing he got as far as he did. ucrdem Mar 2020 #64

Bernie Sanders is an astute politician ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #15

It's an essential part of his identity and his appeal dalton99a Mar 2020 #17

not really. i live in vermont garybeck Mar 2020 #23

He needs to end it SiliconValley_Dem Mar 2020 #18

He is who he is. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #19

The best title to use is Democrat. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #20

I think the last straw was "coming for the Democratic Establishment" LakeArenal Mar 2020 #21

Bernie is a socialist, not a Democrat, Progressive dog Mar 2020 #24

He never should have accepted the "socialist" label. left-of-center2012 Mar 2020 #26

He wants to be the grumpy, set outlier and then demands everyone conform to him. That is why he was LizBeth Mar 2020 #27

Right wingers weaponize labels to mock, misrepresent, and marginalize Shermann Mar 2020 #28

He did not play by the rules NCProgressive Mar 2020 #30

by june, I wonder if socialism would still give people the same bad taste it did before. jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #31

Murica is not ready to understand progressive issues. That simple. And they are, that simple. Evolve Dammit Mar 2020 #32

Ugh!!! mac2766 Mar 2020 #34

*sigh* nolawarlock Mar 2020 #47

Go out in the real world Aquaria Mar 2020 #50

Agreed! Universal care goes way back to Roosevelt even... brush Mar 2020 #65

If Recollection Serves, Sir, It Was The Old 'Iron Chancelloe' Put In Place The First One The Magistrate Mar 2020 #71

Thanks, and perhaps where Teddy Roosevelt got it from... brush Mar 2020 #72

No. betsuni Mar 2020 #54

Thanks for this, for explaining the real deal origins of these issues. brush Mar 2020 #66

Problematic personally, not widely appealing. Weak AA support. Never struck larger themes emmaverybo Mar 2020 #35

So very true DownriverDem Mar 2020 #36

Should have never hijacked the Democratic primaries, twice, while retaining the I affiliation question everything Mar 2020 #39

Ezactly! And, that's not all he shouldn't have done. Cha Mar 2020 #41

Yes he embraced it.. and that's not all he shouldn't have done. Cha Mar 2020 #40

He could have remained a democrat. But nope. boston bean Mar 2020 #42

Yes, what is with the constant switching back to (I)? brush Mar 2020 #67

He has to say: "Sit down for 10 minutes and I'll explain". JohnnyRingo Mar 2020 #43

Branding Roy Rolling Mar 2020 #44

when a pony has one trick, it tends to keep doing it Skittles Mar 2020 #45

An old one Aquaria Mar 2020 #51

oh I think old folk can learn new tricks Skittles Mar 2020 #52

+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #55

Heeheehee! You are bad. brush Mar 2020 #68

one correct badass Skittles Mar 2020 #70

50 years of red baiting propaganda is hard to ocercome. rampartc Mar 2020 #53

I'd argue the opposite dansolo Mar 2020 #62

So true. America will not elect a socialist, even if... brush Mar 2020 #69

I am glad that sanders will not be the nominee Gothmog Mar 2020 #73

sanders sent Cynthia Nixon to Florida to deal with Castro issue??? Gothmog Mar 2020 #74

Bernie was so sure he was going to beat Biden that he campaigned in Klobouchar and Warren's states Gothmog Mar 2020 #75

His intentions were good? That is why he hired such divisive people as Gray, Sirota, and Turner still_one Mar 2020 #76

He's a terrible, one trick pony (anger), front man for a poorly packaged/designed product. gulliver Mar 2020 #78

It seems that even the sanders have realized that Sirota is toxic Gothmog Mar 2020 #79

How 'Never Bernie' Voters Threw In With Biden and Changed the Primary Gothmog Apr 2020 #81