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Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: What Makes Bernie Run? [View all]Gothmog
(158,255 posts)84. Bernie Sanders didn't win any larger argument
In the real world, sanders did not win any major argument https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-didnt-win-any-larger-argument/2020/03/19/39b9a402-69f2-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html
As pressure mounts for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to abandon his presidential bid, a narrative seems to have taken hold among his supporters and on cable TV, and it goes like this: Sanders may have all but lost the nomination fight, but he won the larger ideological argument, and hes fundamentally changed the Democratic Party. His movement must be reckoned with.
To which I can only say: If this is what it looks like to win the argument, I struggle to imagine what it would look like to lose. In any way that counts, Sanderss vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected....
This idea that Sanders has somehow won, even while we all thought he was losing, seems to rest on two assertions: one, that exit polls tell us the voters actually agree with his proposal for nationalized health care; and two, that he changed the conversation to the point where all the candidates were forced to adopt his agenda.
Neither withstands much scrutiny.
Lets be real. Exit polls are all fine and good, but votes are votes. If Democrats really sided that strongly with Sanders on the issue they routinely say is the most important in the campaign, hed be winning.
A raft of other polls on health care will tell you that it all depends on how you ask the question. According to one conducted last month by the Kaiser Family Foundation, most people who say they support Medicare-for-all also think theyd be able to keep their own insurance. (Under Sanderss plan, they wouldnt.)
And if you ask them to choose between building on the foundation President Barack Obama laid or a Sanders-style overhaul, a strong majority chooses the more moderate approach.....
And in his second run for the nomination, Sanders has performed not better but worse, failing to turn out the huge numbers of younger voters he predicted. In fact, you could say Sanderss trajectory is the exact opposite of Reagans; while much of the media (me included) assumed he and Warren spoke for an ascendant wing of the party during the Trump years, it turns out the uprising was more limited than we thought.
Sure, Biden should say all the right things to unite his party. Sure, hell be willing to give some things away in the party platform, which has about as much influence on governing as I do on the Yankees lineup.
But hard as this may be for some millennials to accept, theres only one winner here. Sanders doesnt get a participation trophy.
The only thing hes owed is a chance to exit with grace.
To which I can only say: If this is what it looks like to win the argument, I struggle to imagine what it would look like to lose. In any way that counts, Sanderss vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected....
This idea that Sanders has somehow won, even while we all thought he was losing, seems to rest on two assertions: one, that exit polls tell us the voters actually agree with his proposal for nationalized health care; and two, that he changed the conversation to the point where all the candidates were forced to adopt his agenda.
Neither withstands much scrutiny.
Lets be real. Exit polls are all fine and good, but votes are votes. If Democrats really sided that strongly with Sanders on the issue they routinely say is the most important in the campaign, hed be winning.
A raft of other polls on health care will tell you that it all depends on how you ask the question. According to one conducted last month by the Kaiser Family Foundation, most people who say they support Medicare-for-all also think theyd be able to keep their own insurance. (Under Sanderss plan, they wouldnt.)
And if you ask them to choose between building on the foundation President Barack Obama laid or a Sanders-style overhaul, a strong majority chooses the more moderate approach.....
And in his second run for the nomination, Sanders has performed not better but worse, failing to turn out the huge numbers of younger voters he predicted. In fact, you could say Sanderss trajectory is the exact opposite of Reagans; while much of the media (me included) assumed he and Warren spoke for an ascendant wing of the party during the Trump years, it turns out the uprising was more limited than we thought.
Sure, Biden should say all the right things to unite his party. Sure, hell be willing to give some things away in the party platform, which has about as much influence on governing as I do on the Yankees lineup.
But hard as this may be for some millennials to accept, theres only one winner here. Sanders doesnt get a participation trophy.
The only thing hes owed is a chance to exit with grace.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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If he's so inspiring, why is he getting his clock cleaned in the primaries?
The Velveteen Ocelot
Mar 2020
#1
I can't deal with OPs like this because I am dealing with a fucking global crisis
still_one
Mar 2020
#3
Trumps approval numbers are up, we have to get to the General...Sanders needs to go...and he
Demsrule86
Mar 2020
#8
And Bernies issues were sound rejected by millions of voters-twice now...16 and 20.
Demsrule86
Mar 2020
#10
As of now, Biden has received 25% more popular votes and 25% more delegates than Sanders.....
George II
Mar 2020
#18
That's absolutely not true. Let's take the minimum wage, for example. There has been....
George II
Mar 2020
#27
Clinton had two years control and so did Obama, but the Senate for only a few months.
betsuni
Mar 2020
#58
It seems that many supporters of a particular candidate are forever explaining to those
ehrnst
Mar 2020
#70
Indeed. "Issues" is something any one of us could run on. We need someone who gets things done. (nt)
ehrnst
Mar 2020
#75
In just one day (yesterday to today) 538's forecast of delegates increased Biden's by 47.8 while...
George II
Mar 2020
#12
when one is used to being a big fish in a small pond the attention is hard to lose nt
msongs
Mar 2020
#30
Americans expect their Senators to be ON THE JOB, doing the work of Senators @$15,000 a month.
George II
Mar 2020
#45
Running for the Democratic nomination has proven very profitable for him and his family.
W_HAMILTON
Mar 2020
#40
I believe the only way Sanders' "movement" can survive and grow is if Trump wins in 2020.
sop
Mar 2020
#54
The same thing that made Trump run: A massive ego and a claim that only he can save the world.
NNadir
Mar 2020
#77