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Showing Original Post only (View all)Bernie Sanders didn't win any larger argument [View all]
In the real world, sanders did not win any major argument https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-didnt-win-any-larger-argument/2020/03/19/39b9a402-69f2-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html
As pressure mounts for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to abandon his presidential bid, a narrative seems to have taken hold among his supporters and on cable TV, and it goes like this: Sanders may have all but lost the nomination fight, but he won the larger ideological argument, and hes fundamentally changed the Democratic Party. His movement must be reckoned with.
To which I can only say: If this is what it looks like to win the argument, I struggle to imagine what it would look like to lose. In any way that counts, Sanderss vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected....
This idea that Sanders has somehow won, even while we all thought he was losing, seems to rest on two assertions: one, that exit polls tell us the voters actually agree with his proposal for nationalized health care; and two, that he changed the conversation to the point where all the candidates were forced to adopt his agenda.
Neither withstands much scrutiny.
Lets be real. Exit polls are all fine and good, but votes are votes. If Democrats really sided that strongly with Sanders on the issue they routinely say is the most important in the campaign, hed be winning.
A raft of other polls on health care will tell you that it all depends on how you ask the question. According to one conducted last month by the Kaiser Family Foundation, most people who say they support Medicare-for-all also think theyd be able to keep their own insurance. (Under Sanderss plan, they wouldnt.)
And if you ask them to choose between building on the foundation President Barack Obama laid or a Sanders-style overhaul, a strong majority chooses the more moderate approach.....
And in his second run for the nomination, Sanders has performed not better but worse, failing to turn out the huge numbers of younger voters he predicted. In fact, you could say Sanderss trajectory is the exact opposite of Reagans; while much of the media (me included) assumed he and Warren spoke for an ascendant wing of the party during the Trump years, it turns out the uprising was more limited than we thought.
Sure, Biden should say all the right things to unite his party. Sure, hell be willing to give some things away in the party platform, which has about as much influence on governing as I do on the Yankees lineup.
But hard as this may be for some millennials to accept, theres only one winner here. Sanders doesnt get a participation trophy.
The only thing hes owed is a chance to exit with grace.
To which I can only say: If this is what it looks like to win the argument, I struggle to imagine what it would look like to lose. In any way that counts, Sanderss vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected....
This idea that Sanders has somehow won, even while we all thought he was losing, seems to rest on two assertions: one, that exit polls tell us the voters actually agree with his proposal for nationalized health care; and two, that he changed the conversation to the point where all the candidates were forced to adopt his agenda.
Neither withstands much scrutiny.
Lets be real. Exit polls are all fine and good, but votes are votes. If Democrats really sided that strongly with Sanders on the issue they routinely say is the most important in the campaign, hed be winning.
A raft of other polls on health care will tell you that it all depends on how you ask the question. According to one conducted last month by the Kaiser Family Foundation, most people who say they support Medicare-for-all also think theyd be able to keep their own insurance. (Under Sanderss plan, they wouldnt.)
And if you ask them to choose between building on the foundation President Barack Obama laid or a Sanders-style overhaul, a strong majority chooses the more moderate approach.....
And in his second run for the nomination, Sanders has performed not better but worse, failing to turn out the huge numbers of younger voters he predicted. In fact, you could say Sanderss trajectory is the exact opposite of Reagans; while much of the media (me included) assumed he and Warren spoke for an ascendant wing of the party during the Trump years, it turns out the uprising was more limited than we thought.
Sure, Biden should say all the right things to unite his party. Sure, hell be willing to give some things away in the party platform, which has about as much influence on governing as I do on the Yankees lineup.
But hard as this may be for some millennials to accept, theres only one winner here. Sanders doesnt get a participation trophy.
The only thing hes owed is a chance to exit with grace.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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No he didn't! What are these "issues" that Sander won? The majority of Democrats AND....
George II
Mar 2020
#10
The kind that we can pass quickly...millions of people's lives depend on it...can't have some huge
Demsrule86
Mar 2020
#15
We have the infrastructure of the ACA in place, along with REAL Medicare (not some faux "for all")
George II
Mar 2020
#16
Why do you think that he coudn't inspire them to register and get to a polling place on a Tuesday?
ehrnst
Mar 2020
#72
He won by cleaning up with older voters. Bernie and progressives are the future.
DanTex
Mar 2020
#20
If Sander got younger voters, he could have won...they didn't show up Dan...his base
Demsrule86
Mar 2020
#23
If they didn't vote for him, you can't say that he won them. It's really that simple.
Orrex
Mar 2020
#35
Fight for Fifteen started in 2012 and has raised minimum wages around the country.
betsuni
Mar 2020
#50
LOL. Bernie has been driving the fight for $15. It has everything to do with Bernie.
DanTex
Mar 2020
#55
Again, you ignore the exit poll data, which is understandable because it totally contradicts
DanTex
Mar 2020
#57
It would take years to put every person in the country on Medicare...and the cost would be
Demsrule86
Mar 2020
#24
"Sanders's vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected..."
NurseJackie
Mar 2020
#68
Every four years the party platform becomes more progressive. That's how time works.
betsuni
Mar 2020
#84
Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#106