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The Magistrate

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18. I Am Something Of A Socialist Myself, Ma'am
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:30 PM
Mar 2020

At bottom, it is the view that what a society produces ought to belong to the society, and not to private parties who superintend facets of its production, and appropriate to themselves a disproportionate quantity of the society's produce. It does not, and never has, meant either autocratic state control or diveying up everything into equal shares. Capital, the surplus of what is produced over what its production costs, is the engine that drives new economic activity, and would do so whether it was administered by public or private means. Humans being involved, one can expect log-rolling and sharp practice in any case, but with public administration, however contrived within a democratic polity, it ought to be more difficult for a few individuals to extract value in greatly disproportionate share from society's capital.

Marxism is something different. Marxism is a particular theory of how socialism will emerge from capitalism. Marx saw this as something which would inevitably occur as industrialization reached its peaks, producing of necessity a trained and regimented work-force, who would be subjected to extreme penury owing the concentration of capital in ever fewer hands, and who would come to understand they actually controlled the mines and factories, etc., on which capitalism's profits depended. This he supposed would occur first in countries like England and Germany, France and Belgium. Nothing of the sort happened, and a variety of people enchanted by the theory, and its promise success was inevitable, set about trying to figure out ways to redeem the promise. Lenin's view was that imperial expansion was what was delaying the inevitable emergence of socialism, and he conceived further the idea that establishment of socialism by revolution might be achieved through forcing accelerated development of a backward, largely feudal society such fin de siecle Russia. At this point it should be obvious that Lenin's program had little to do with the original ground of Marxism, and as Orwell observed, 'one does not establish a dictatorship to preserve a revolution, one makes a revolution to establish a dictatorship'.

People once steeped deeply in Marxism have a hard time letting it go, and it is Sanders Marxist background inclines me firmly against him. He continued in Marxist belief well into middle age, and that to my mind indicates questionable judgement, to put it mildly. He seems to have still at that time accepted the equation of socialism with Marxism, and so have taken states established on the bastardized pseudo Marxism of Lenin and Mao as genuinely socialist states, which again calls his judgement into serious question.



"It is nonsense to suppose what benefits the greater portion of society would be injurious to its whole." (Adam Smith)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Exactly right mcar Mar 2020 #1
I like Joe Biden because he's honest. He's respectful of others... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #2
I read that article earlier today. An excellent read! George II Mar 2020 #3
Right, there wasn't a conspiracy or widespread election fraud as some now claim Hav Mar 2020 #4
Sanders's secret is out: He has no movement - The Washington Post Gothmog Mar 2020 #24
Bernie Knew His Ceiling Was 30% and Never Sought to Increase It Indykatie Mar 2020 #26
Why Can't Bernie Accept That Democratic Voters Didn't Want Him? Gothmog Mar 2020 #5
Sadly & ridiculously so, his ardent followers even aoc are having none of it & think it was a cheat Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #6
In the real world, candidates drop out when they know that they will not be the nominee Gothmog Mar 2020 #7
Kick & recommended. William769 Mar 2020 #8
If Sanders wasn't in the race I think Democrats might well have gotten behind the real progressive LizBeth Mar 2020 #9
That's a real possibility, I believe. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #10
I agree Warren has respect and will be used and Warren will be good with being used, all in. LizBeth Mar 2020 #11
Based on the stimulus packages BidenBacker Mar 2020 #13
But that's not really what socialism means, is it? NurseJackie Mar 2020 #15
You got me, NJ! BidenBacker Mar 2020 #16
I Am Something Of A Socialist Myself, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #18
The only reason to appease Bernie TexasTowelie Mar 2020 #22
K&R brer cat Mar 2020 #12
Hell NO.. We Want the Best Candidate to Be POTUS.. Cha Mar 2020 #14
Second the H-E-Double Hockey Sticks NO! onetexan Mar 2020 #19
You're Welcome, onetexan! Cha Mar 2020 #20
Bernie's voters didn't even want come out and vote. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #17
The last thing anyone would want in the middle of the coronavirus crisis NCProgressive Mar 2020 #21
The Gauzy Myth of the Sanders Campaign Gothmog Mar 2020 #23
That is perfect. Thank you! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #25
K&R Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #27
How 'Never Bernie' Voters Threw In With Biden and Changed the Primary Gothmog Apr 2020 #28
KICK! Cha Apr 2020 #29
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