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The Magistrate

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25. Do You Imagine Medicare Is Free, Sir?

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 09:47 AM

Apr 2020

People pay a premium for the basic plan, it is deducted from monthly Social Security payments. Some people choose to purchase extra coverage into the bargain, if they can afford it, or feel they need it.

Understand, it would not trouble me in the slightest to see provision of health care paid for from a common fund, for which taxes are collected by some general levy. But aside from provision for outright charity, it is hard to see anything shorter that might provide health care for persons without funds. Establishing such a system would go against the grain of a great many people and interests, including many persons who might benefit greatly from such a system, who simply would not consider it 'right'....

"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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How's that workplace health insurance working out now? [View all] wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Apr 2020 #1

+1000 No candidate should get away with advocating workplace insurance rainin Apr 2020 #2

I don't want to hear anyone with medicare talk about how it's not an option... Locrian Apr 2020 #3

That's like asking, "How's that lack of a cure for cancer working out now?" MFA is, currently, Squinch Apr 2020 #4

Bidens plan is also "unpassable" wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #6

Wrong. Educate yourself. W_HAMILTON Apr 2020 #14

That was the same thing with same sex marriage wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #20

I am sure that Medicare for All will come up during potential healthcare reform discussions. W_HAMILTON Apr 2020 #23

How's that insulting President Obama working out for you? Cha Apr 2020 #109

re: "It has no chance of passing as things are now, even if Dems win the presidency and Senate." thesquanderer Apr 2020 #26

They will. W_HAMILTON Apr 2020 #28

I agree, it's unlikely, But that's different from saying "no chance." n/t thesquanderer Apr 2020 #30

Lol. Yes, I understand that this is what you would like to believe. And I also Squinch Apr 2020 #16

Not helpful! Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #48

Um, yeah, it did pass. Aquaria Apr 2020 #86

It Is a Sound Point, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #5

How would the public option work wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #8

ACA coverage does not require that you have a job. Public option is a way to enhance ACA. n/t thesquanderer Apr 2020 #19

So the jobless has to wait for Medicaid? wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #22

What does Medicaid have to do with it? thesquanderer Apr 2020 #29

Apparently you missed wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #32

I'm talking about public option. That has nothing to do with medicaid. thesquanderer Apr 2020 #36

It's difficult to take you seriously TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #66

Hokay, let's unpack this, step by single step wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #67

Guess what? TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #74

Ah, so people do fall through the cracks under the system wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #75

How you are going to pay for it is pragmatic and it is not a Republican talking point. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #77

We've explained it countless times wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #80

Medicare for All is not going to occur. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #89

Post removed Post removed Apr 2020 #94

It might work. Don't need the distraction torch juggling though. The thing is though... brush Apr 2020 #104

That was awesome! pattyloutwo Apr 2020 #107

re: "If you are jobless, you have no money to spend on health insurance." thesquanderer Apr 2020 #91

Cobra? wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #92

I'm not endorsing COBRA, but there are people who have used it. Obviously, since ACA passed... thesquanderer Apr 2020 #98

Do You Imagine Medicare Is Free, Sir? The Magistrate Apr 2020 #25

Here's how it will be paid wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #81

Some People, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #87

Other people wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #88

Doesn't Matter, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #97

See highways, bridges, schools, police and fire departments. Hermit-The-Prog Apr 2020 #113

Unions and their fought for health insurance hangaleft Apr 2020 #7

The Culinary Workers Union wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #10

Really? DEbluedude Apr 2020 #18

Not everyone is a "worker" hangaleft Apr 2020 #39

I agree wholeheartededly. But until something of that nature happens... DEbluedude Apr 2020 #95

Public Option is a choice, MFA is cramming it down people's throats. Within 5 years of a PO, most Hoyt Apr 2020 #9

Public option doesn't work if you're jobless wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #11

That statement is just absurd. Squinch Apr 2020 #21

Seems most of them absurd! Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #49

Do you know what the term "subsidies" means, not to mention expanded Medicaid? Hoyt Apr 2020 #27

Yes, more bandaid provisions wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #33

Do you understand, "Within 5 years of a PO, most people will have selected the PO . . . . ." Hoyt Apr 2020 #35

What you are pushing is Rube Goldberg malarkey wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #45

Fine, go your way, and we'll be sitting here 10, 15 years from now arguing the same stuff, with Hoyt Apr 2020 #46

Ouch! Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #50

FYI, I supported Elizabeth Warren wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #71

Not sure about paid for itself. But, it was pretty much MFA, however she framed it. Hoyt Apr 2020 #99

Public option has nothing to do with employment status. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #96

A public option has the broad support of Democrats and can be passed through reconciliation... W_HAMILTON Apr 2020 #12

So the lesson here is wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #13

Stop with the bad Russian troll farm-like memes. W_HAMILTON Apr 2020 #15

Doesn't have any..that work Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #51

What is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different outcome? ehrnst Apr 2020 #114

So your argument is that the public option won't get Sloumeau Apr 2020 #17

Apparently Democrats are too rightwing for M4A wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #24

Imagine what a dotard would be doing right now with a total government run health care Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #52

"Imagine what the dotard will be doing with Medicare now that he runs it" wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #68

People "loved" the part of their pay the health insurance represents, almost never the medical brewens Apr 2020 #31

It has been repeatedly demonstrated wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #34

The health care tax may be way lower than their current premiums, but employers pay most brewens Apr 2020 #37

Nobody ever seems to ask "how do other countries pay for healthcare?" Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #41

Sweden weighed in on a sanders style plan said it all but bankrupt the country Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #55

I think it is more useful to get info on successful universal healthcare systems Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #62

Partnership for America's Health Care Future wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #79

That is nonsense...no one will get a raise...and the taxes for individuals will be higher...you Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #112

Perhaps if Covid 19 bankrupts the health insurance industry (unless the taxpayers are forced to jalan48 Apr 2020 #38

Good editorial pattyloutwo Apr 2020 #40

I don't get the reasons for this rant. beastie boy Apr 2020 #42

Oh the voice of sanity!! Thank you Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #56

M4A would have a better chance of passing wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #72

You just illustrated why M4A has a snowflake's chance in hell of passing. beastie boy Apr 2020 #84

A successful President will show flexibility in his thinking in response to events. On the other... NNadir Apr 2020 #43

+1000 emmaverybo Apr 2020 #57

I'm hitting a paywall. Can we get the article w/o subscribing to the WP? CTyankee Apr 2020 #44

Open in private window wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #70

Well, I'll try but I'm not technie at all... CTyankee Apr 2020 #78

This sounds like the discussions had in lifeboats after the Titanic sunk. tirebiter Apr 2020 #47

those who lost jobs are eligible for ACA AlexSFCA Apr 2020 #53

Yup. This is the moment to zentrum Apr 2020 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2020 #58

Germany has "taken the profit out of the health care business?" thucythucy Apr 2020 #82

The nation would have to overwhelmingly support it - and we would need the Senate. ehrnst Apr 2020 #100

Do you want Trump in charge of 100% of our health care? relayerbob Apr 2020 #59

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Apr 2020 #61

I think the idea is to get rid of Trump and put a Democrat in charge of health care. n/t totodeinhere Apr 2020 #64

And then when the next Trump, Raygun or Dubya comes along relayerbob Apr 2020 #65

I've seen this argument way too many times wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #69

How would that M4A that would never be enacted be working out? gulliver Apr 2020 #60

Actually it's a mixed bag. Some workplace insurance policies continue to cover employees who have totodeinhere Apr 2020 #63

Are we talking about John Dingell Sr's "Medicare for All", or John Dingell Jr's "Medicare for All".. George II Apr 2020 #73

Because this is what is happening under ACA wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #76

As has been pointed out numerous times before thucythucy Apr 2020 #83

Apparently Sander's plan would be better than the current Medicare wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #90

"Apparently"? thucythucy Apr 2020 #110

Ours is working fine. Aquaria Apr 2020 #85

But the goops will pass Biden's plan wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #93

Not rocket science. We have to win the WH and the Senate, plus keep the House. brush Apr 2020 #101

Really? We're going to get into another pissing contest over this? peggysue2 Apr 2020 #102

A medical emergency pattyloutwo Apr 2020 #108

A public option would fix this too. Happy Hoosier Apr 2020 #103

Universal Healthcare is the goal. ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #105

Incredibly BETTER than the defunded, then repealed MfA. Hortensis Apr 2020 #106

It is highly unethical to use a once in a lifetime world-wide crisis DenverJared Apr 2020 #111