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thesquanderer

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69. Where in that post did I suggest that VT should be a model?

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:49 AM

Apr 2019

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Even if I did--which I did not--it would only have been on the one, specific policy we were talking about. Not the entire penal system, nor the fixation on maple syrup, nor anything else. I don't know how you manage to read SO much more into that short post than what I typed.

Again, my mentioning of VT in that post was to show that the state's position was consistent with (VT resident) Sanders' position. This is why I mentioned VT in that post. Nothing there even about the policy being good or bad, much less that VT should be a model. Even when I called it the right answer for Sanders to give, I said that that was because--whether you agree with the policy or not--it was what he believes. Therefore it is the right answer for him. I don't think I can make it any more clear than this.

Other posts have discussed reasons I think it's good policy myself. But this particular post was strictly about how Bernie answered the question.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Should duly convicted and incarcerated* murderers, rapists, and terrorists be allowed to vote? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Apr 2019 #1

If they are incarcerated they are in prison. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #2

Yes, unless you favor a return to Jim Crow... Dennis Donovan Apr 2019 #3

That assumes all criminals are black. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #4

There is racial disparity in sentencing. femmedem Apr 2019 #6

Then that is an argument to address disparity in sentencing DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #7

Addressing the disparity in sentencing... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #25

Then let inmates who aren't rapists, murderers, and terrorists vote. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #28

Sirhan Sirhan couldn't vote anyway. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #48

We as a society draw lines when writing laws. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #57

I never called taking away the right to vote cruel and unusual punishment. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #64

A lot of things I consider cruel and unusual punishment or privations my fellow Americans don't DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #68

NO NO NO!!! murderers like Charles Manson, Boston Mass. are not humans. trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #77

No it doesn't - it spells out that Jim Crow culture is still a real thing... Dennis Donovan Apr 2019 #10

Jim Crow laws were based on an immutable characteristic which is race. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #12

That is what bugs me about race and Sanders. Does he think this is the way Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #59

Exactly DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #60

It doesn't. And it shows how limited his understanding truly is....I mean Vermont is a very Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #61

Just because DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #63

Haha..that is good. It never goes the other way, Does it? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #65

It's up to the states. Two states allow incarcerated prisoners to vote, Maine and Vermont Rhiannon12866 Apr 2019 #46

Once they've served their sentence bluecollar2 Apr 2019 #5

What about people who have scammed or stolen millions of dollars? Delmette2.0 Apr 2019 #8

People who have cannabis for their own consumption shouldn't be in the hoosegow DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #9

Clint Smith melman Apr 2019 #11

It's possible to believe that our criminal justice system is broken DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #16

But there are obvious reasons for taking away their right bear arms. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #27

Is shipping African American DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #35

You make a reasonable argument that that practice should be outlawed. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #51

For me, the question is moot because the vote tallies would be fraudulent in most cases. ecstatic Apr 2019 #13

In order for it to work, third party observers would need to oversee the voting and it would Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #14

Right. But we can't even get a fair process outside of prisons ecstatic Apr 2019 #15

I believe in respects to voter disenfranchisement, the one feeds the other. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #19

Probably. So lets fix the outside voting first before giving republicans millions ecstatic Apr 2019 #20

That's a great point. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #18

For all who voted No.... jberryhill Apr 2019 #17

This. Agschmid Apr 2019 #31

I passed on the question, which is what I think Bernie should have done, too. mtnsnake Apr 2019 #21

I would have answered it depends on the crime DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #22

I'll bet that Bernie in retrospect wishes he had answered it in somewhat that way. mtnsnake Apr 2019 #23

The ads write themselves. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #24

Bernie gave the right answer... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #26

Vermont also ships prisoners, some of them African American, to the Deep South DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #32

Non sequitur. I never said Vermont was perfect. Whataboutism doesn't fly. (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2019 #49

You did suggest Vermont was an exemplar or model for the nation, if not the entire world. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #54

Nope. I don't know how you got that. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #66

Maybe because you suggested VT is some kind of model DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #67

Where in that post did I suggest that VT should be a model? thesquanderer Apr 2019 #69

If they are part of an armed insurrection and put in prison should MarcA Apr 2019 #29

Are they a citizen? If yes, they should be allowed to vote. Agschmid Apr 2019 #30

Why do they forfeit their 2nd and 4th Amendment rights while incarcerated? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #33

The right to vote and the right to bear arms are completely different. Agschmid Apr 2019 #47

Let's not be too quick to bestow upon Vermont the honor of being an exemplar to the world DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #56

Have you heard of America? Agschmid Apr 2019 #70

"Have you heard of America?" DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #71

Of course it's an issue in VT. Agschmid Apr 2019 #73

But the data indicates it's even worse DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #74

Well let me know when the primary for President of Vermont happens. Agschmid Apr 2019 #75

"The View" panel discussion on the topic (Meghan McCain meltdown): betsuni Apr 2019 #34

Convicted murderers, traitors, and terrorists aren't felons. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #36

My primary reason is radical noodle Apr 2019 #37

Prisoners suffer infinitely worse privations and horrors than losing the right to vote. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #39

Indeed! radical noodle Apr 2019 #43

re: "they forfeit that right when they commit the crime" thesquanderer Apr 2019 #50

Being in prison means giving up your freedom radical noodle Apr 2019 #62

our prison system means racist republicans will be casting those votes JI7 Apr 2019 #38

not a compelling argument for taking away people's rights. unblock Apr 2019 #76

i think Mayor Pete gave the best answer to this JI7 Apr 2019 #40

What did he say? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #41

he said no JI7 Apr 2019 #42

Not a pander bear. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #45

Probably, but I can't think of a more counter-productive way to go about it. ucrdem Apr 2019 #44

More people voted yes than I would have thought. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #52

It's similar to the percentage of people who supported the Freedom Rides at the time. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #53

Only if it were some other candidates idea. BeckyDem Apr 2019 #55

Truth is, I'm not sure this is important enough to get upset about... TreasonousBastard Apr 2019 #58

No... Grendam Apr 2019 #72