The Way Forward

Oopsie Daisy

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216. Spare me. You know perfectly well that "views" does not equate to the same number of individuals.

Mon Jan 27, 2025, 03:38 PM

Jan 27

I admit, I'm sure it's difficult for many people to not gawk and "rubberneck" at this trainwreck of a thread and marvel at how it has become an overflowing cesspool of misinformation and false statements.

I think that the majority of people who come to Democratic Underground are loyal Democrats who are smart enough to see what is going on in this thread and they will reject any effort to promote third-parties as some sort of imaginary fantasy allies who will "caucus" with Democrats. The fantasies promoted in this thread are just beyond the pale.

We often characterize politics as a "battlefield" and on a real battlefield countries form alliances to defeat a common enemy. HOWEVER, politics and elections do not work that way. It's foolish and naive to assume that different parties can form alliances in the same way that countries form alliances to defeat a common enemy. In the real world of responsible adults, such a notion would be a deadly and costly mistake.

I can see that you're heavily and emotionally invested in this thread... but you really need to let it go. Support Democrats and ONLY Democrats. Sabotage Republicans, not Democrats.

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Is it time for Antifa to organize into a formal political party? [View all] Think. Again. Jan 24 OP

I understand the question is in jest. Mike 03 Jan 24 #1

I want to make clear that I did not post this in jest. Think. Again. Jan 24 #3

Do you want TFG and the GOP to win future races by splitting the vote? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 26 #101

I want us to join forces and share empowerment (and votes) with any and every group... Think. Again. Jan 26 #106

That is NOT how elections work in the US LetMyPeopleVote Jan 26 #113

As you should know... Think. Again. Jan 26 #119

No. Voltaire2 Jan 24 #2

Good point... Think. Again. Jan 24 #4

Yeah we need the Democratic Party to grow up. Voltaire2 Jan 24 #5

Can, and will, the Democratic Party do that? Think. Again. Jan 24 #6

It is up to us. Voltaire2 Jan 24 #7

I believe we need a much more determined effort... Think. Again. Jan 24 #8

I'm paraphrasing Bernie Sanders here, but the two parties are literally the only two organizations CrispyQ Jan 26 #112

Yes, I understand that... Think. Again. Jan 27 #140

Sadly, the Democratic Party probably is the most focused anti-fascist organization we have. -nt CrispyQ Jan 27 #155

Antifa literally means "anti-fascist". Think. Again. Jan 27 #159

Duh. I know that, but antifa comes with a lot of baggage. -nt CrispyQ Jan 27 #162

No, there's no baggage... Think. Again. Jan 27 #165

Good luck with your endeavor. CrispyQ Jan 27 #173

My only hope to support any and all anti-fascists efforts.. Think. Again. Jan 27 #176

Great plan ZRB Jan 24 #9

The Democratic Party DeepWinter Jan 24 #10

They aren't attached to us to be cut loose anyway ZRB Jan 24 #11

If you're afraid it would weaken the Democratic Party... Think. Again. Jan 24 #12

Do you hear yourself? ZRB Jan 25 #20

My OP question is focused on ... Think. Again. Jan 25 #22

Forming a new third party ZRB Jan 25 #23

Anyone fighting against the fascists would weaken them. Think. Again. Jan 25 #24

How has that worked out in the past? ZRB Jan 25 #25

During World War 2. Think. Again. Jan 25 #31

Are you talking about the various European resistance movements? ZRB Jan 25 #34

Ah, those goal posts moved fast. Think. Again. Jan 25 #37

How? When? My argument remains the same. ZRB Jan 25 #39

I believe that a strong, VERY strong opposition... Think. Again. Jan 25 #40

Again, great plan ZRB Jan 25 #44

I recognize (and actually appreciate) the snark... Think. Again. Jan 26 #54

Agreed on that ZRB Jan 26 #105

Those resistance groups were not what won WWII EdmondDantes_ Jan 25 #46

I do believe.... Think. Again. Jan 26 #56

I disagree, non-military resistance to the nazis was vital in defeating them. Think. Again. Jan 26 #111

Hegseth was confirmed last night because of third party votes costing us a key senate seat LetMyPeopleVote Jan 26 #103

The only 2 third party (independent) held seats in the Senate voted against hegseth. Think. Again. Jan 26 #109

No way. Elessar Zappa Jan 24 #13

You're an American first though, right? Think. Again. Jan 24 #14

No answer? Think. Again. Jan 26 #75

ANTIFA is pretty much the Communist Party of America. WarGamer Jan 24 #15

Except they're only anti-fascist and not communist. Think. Again. Jan 24 #17

Historically... ANTIFA is quite literally communist. WarGamer Jan 24 #19

Quite literally... "Anti- Fascist". Think. Again. Jan 25 #21

And we should not let the RW restrict what is Antifa. GreenWave Jan 25 #30

What is this? Klarkashton Jan 26 #52

Sorry but no. Klarkashton Jan 26 #51

Read some history... start with the Wiki entry and I can advise from there WarGamer Jan 26 #91

I didn't read it I've lived it. Klarkashton Jan 26 #94

Would you care to explain why? Think. Again. Jan 27 #141

Who is antifa? mcar Jan 24 #16

That was the question posed by the OP... Think. Again. Jan 24 #18

part of their power & effectiveness is there is no individual leader/site/infrastructure to attack cadoman Jan 25 #48

That's an excellent point of view. Thank You. Think. Again. Jan 26 #59

... orangecrush Jan 25 #26

? Think. Again. Jan 27 #150

The Problem With Antifa Baron2024 Jan 25 #27

A little too radical? Think. Again. Jan 25 #32

Antifa Baron2024 Jan 25 #35

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Antifa vote Democratic.... Think. Again. Jan 25 #38

Hardcore Anti-Fascists Baron2024 Jan 25 #41

Great! That's one, .... Think. Again. Jan 25 #42

No. Antifa has a bad rep. The Madcap Jan 25 #28

That's a false image that only magats believe... Think. Again. Jan 25 #33

Agreed The Madcap Jan 25 #45

Again, the people who have that image.... Think. Again. Jan 26 #55

Not a false image at all... TommyT139 Jan 26 #65

Since Antifa does not use black box tactics... Think. Again. Jan 26 #67

Black Bloc TommyT139 Jan 26 #69

But it is a false image of Antifa because Antifa doesn't do that. Think. Again. Jan 26 #71

I know a lot of "rank and file" democrats who believe that AkFemDem Jan 26 #78

Perhaps that's the problem... Think. Again. Jan 26 #84

Do you think Antifa could even get people to the polls? LuvLoogie Jan 25 #29

Correct, which is why my question in this OP is..... Think. Again. Jan 25 #36

Here's the thing. the Antifa protest is a tactic. LuvLoogie Jan 25 #43

Political movements begin with an ideology... Think. Again. Jan 26 #49

They aren't interested. LeftInTX Jan 25 #47

I don't think .... Think. Again. Jan 26 #50

Doesn't Antifa think the Democratic Party is fascist? At least that is what I have heard. LeftInTX Jan 26 #61

Antifa is primarily (only) anti-fascist... Think. Again. Jan 26 #63

They have referred to the Democratic Party as fascist because we are organized. And now you say I'm LeftInTX Jan 26 #64

"They"? Think. Again. Jan 26 #66

Good Fucking Godz. You're talking about ANARCHISTS Brenda Jan 28 #320

Please. Klarkashton Jan 26 #53

I'd sincerely like to hear your reservations on this. Think. Again. Jan 27 #142

It's based on mutual aid and anarchist ideas. Klarkashton Jan 27 #153

Mutual aid sounds like what we need right now. Think. Again. Jan 27 #157

We are Democrats. By historical definition we've been anti-fascist since WW2. OAITW r.2.0 Jan 26 #57

That's a good point, but I seem to be... Think. Again. Jan 26 #58

We should proudly say that we are anti-Fascist Democrats. But that seems redundant. OAITW r.2.0 Jan 26 #60

I don't think it's redundant... Think. Again. Jan 26 #62

Nope. Make something new. TommyT139 Jan 26 #68

Yes, it's well understood... Think. Again. Jan 26 #70

Yesssss.... TommyT139 Jan 26 #72

I agree... Think. Again. Jan 26 #73

Perhaps a blending of the Democratic party and Antifa... Think. Again. Jan 26 #74

Wow... is this a *suggestion* that a third party is The Way Forward? lapucelle Jan 26 #76

That didn't take long, did it? Mosby Jan 26 #79

"Just spitballing here ... what we need is a third party made up of organized anarchists and Democrats... lapucelle Jan 26 #82

I believe what we need is... Think. Again. Jan 27 #143

I believe this forum is for discussing ideas... Think. Again. Jan 26 #85

Actually, no, and especially not if the *ideas* involve forming a third party. lapucelle Jan 26 #89

My posting fits very well within those guidelines. Think. Again. Jan 26 #90

Nah, not really. Advocating for a weird third "Antifa Party" or the co-option of the Democratic Party lapucelle Jan 26 #116

I disagree that isolating Democratic candidates from any outside votes... Think. Again. Jan 26 #122

What does that even mean in the context of "Should antifa start a third party / lapucelle Jan 26 #126

Yeah, doesn't work on me either. Think. Again. Jan 26 #128

Sorry, but I'm looking at what you actually said. lapucelle Jan 26 #130

As I mentioned, trying to distort a discussion doesn't work on me. Think. Again. Jan 26 #131

Your non-tactical retreat is duly noted, lapucelle Jan 26 #132

Nope, still not working. Think. Again. Jan 26 #135

... lapucelle Jan 26 #136

I stand by my posts. Think. Again. Jan 26 #137

The purpose of this forum is to discuss ideas as to how Democrats can win LetMyPeopleVote Jan 26 #110

Why are you assuming .... Think. Again. Jan 26 #118

I live in the real world where votes for third parties only help the GOP LetMyPeopleVote Jan 26 #123

I think you've figured it out. It is a sad plan, and it ONLY helps the GOP. I just want to know WHY * Oopsie Daisy Jan 26 #134

I did not mention "third party voting"... Think. Again. Jan 27 #145

LOL! I'm smarter than most people give me credit for. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #152

Are you? Think. Again. Jan 27 #156

LOL! Whenever I see anyone go to such great lengths to change the subject and/or * Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #163

I don't believe collaborating with third parties that share a goal... Think. Again. Jan 27 #166

That's not what you said. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #169

Throughout this entire thread .. Think. Again. Jan 27 #171

Backpedaling and pretending that what you ACTUALLY wrote is just our imagination. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #174

I have been clear and consistent with my statements... Think. Again. Jan 27 #177

Yes. you've clearly shown support and advocated for "Antifa" becoming a "formal" party. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #179

I don't see that one "purpose" of yours... Think. Again. Jan 27 #181

Support Democrats. This is not "Antifa Underground". Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #183

I have said nothing about not supporting Democrats. Think. Again. Jan 27 #185

LOL! If you're advocating for Antifa to "formally" become a political party * Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #188

I encourage you to read my posts. Think. Again. Jan 27 #189

And I encourage YOU to tell the truth and stop advocating for Antifa to organize into a formal political party. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #190

Perhaps you should look into how parties caucus with each other. Think. Again. Jan 27 #191

Perhaps YOU should look at how idiotic third party voters cost us TWO elections in favor of Trump. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #194

You believe that third party ideology threatens Democratic party ideology? Think. Again. Jan 27 #267

Third parties siphon-off votes from Democrats, and that benefits the GOP in close elections. Oopsie Daisy Jan 28 #294

Yes, they have. Think. Again. Jan 28 #295

You are correct LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #310

Apparently, The Way Forward for Democrats involves the formation of a third party: The Antifa Party. lapucelle Jan 26 #138

Perhaps you don't understand that blending two parties makes one larger one. Think. Again. Jan 27 #146

"Blending" the Democratic Party with an imaginary Antifa Party lapucelle Jan 27 #160

It's my hope that the majority of Democrats... Think. Again. Jan 27 #167

And it is my hope that people do not carelessly conflate "working with outside groups" lapucelle Jan 27 #186

And it is my hope ... Think. Again. Jan 27 #187

... lapucelle Jan 27 #269

I stand by my posts. Think. Again. Jan 27 #271

Generally, people who stand by their words do not claim to be "misinterpreted" lapucelle Jan 27 #272

I only claimed to be misinterpreted when I was confronted by misinterpretations of my words. Think. Again. Jan 27 #273

Yes, well, it's probably just another linguistic error on your part. lapucelle Jan 27 #274

No, I believe it was misinterpretation. Think. Again. Jan 27 #275

Nah, it was another "linguistic error" on your part. You also *believed* that Sanders and King belong to a third party. lapucelle Jan 27 #279

Those are my words, not the misinterpretation of my words. Think. Again. Jan 27 #280

I want to form a strong response to the growing fascism we are facing. Think. Again. Jan 27 #144

Indeed. It's pure insanity to advocate for third-parties. We know well that they split the vote and benefit the GOP * Oopsie Daisy Jan 26 #133

Fighting fascism is a worthy goal. Think. Again. Jan 27 #147

That's not the question or the issue. Advocating for forming a third party is NOT the way to do it. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #154

I don't know if you noticed... Think. Again. Jan 27 #158

LOL! Whenever I see anyone go to such great lengths to change the subject and/or * Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #161

I believe we would strengthen... Think. Again. Jan 27 #164

It absurd. In fact, you asked a very specific question wherein you're advocating for a third party. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #168

All of my posts, including my OP... Think. Again. Jan 27 #170

False. Completely false. I can read. It's still there for anyone to read. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #172

I did not mention, nor do I intend... Think. Again. Jan 27 #175

Advocating for a competing third party siphons votes from Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #178

I said nothing about a "competing" third party... Think. Again. Jan 27 #180

If you're advocating that they become a "formal" party then it will compete with Democrats and * Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #182

Perhaps you're unaware that third parties... Think. Again. Jan 27 #184

LOL! Yes... they necessarily ARE. In our two-party system only ONE party wins the white house. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #192

You might not be aware that ... Think. Again. Jan 27 #195

And YOU might not be aware that I live in the real world * Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #197

Yes, what we saw in 2024 suggests we need to add to our ranks... Think. Again. Jan 27 #198

Ridiculous. Advocating for third parties is NOT "adding to our ranks". Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #202

I encourage you to read my posts. Think. Again. Jan 27 #203

I encourage you to join me in the real world and support the Democratic Party... Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #205

Growing and strengthening the fight against fascism... Think. Again. Jan 27 #206

Actually, the point of your OP is to advocate "for Antifa to organize into a formal political party." Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #209

No, I ask the question IF Antifa should become a formal party... Think. Again. Jan 27 #210

LOL! Just "asking a question" ... and then defending the question does not leave any room for * Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #213

Nah, almost 3000 people have viewed it so far, maybe the idea will be considered. Think. Again. Jan 27 #215

Spare me. You know perfectly well that "views" does not equate to the same number of individuals. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #216

I support Democrats.... Think. Again. Jan 27 #218

Advocating for third parties is NOT supporting Democrats. Period. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #220

I disagree... Think. Again. Jan 27 #222

No. Third parties siphon votes. "As I've said in this thread many times." 🙄 Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #224

I disagree with your assumption that collaboration will draw Democrats away from the party. Think. Again. Jan 27 #226

It's not an assumption. It's FACT that third parties siphon votes from Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #229

I hope you will gain more faith in, and maybe even work toward... Think. Again. Jan 27 #231

🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #236

I am also amused by the inability or failure of the OP to answer any issues raised by his "question" LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #324

It is indeed amusing, and predictable. The problem is this: a direct answer and honest response * Oopsie Daisy Jan 28 #325

Yet you have refused or are unable to answer basic questions about your OP LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #316

I have no answers for you, only the questions I raised in the OP. Think. Again. Jan 28 #319

How is anyone supposed to take your "question" seriously if you have not looked at the issues raised? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #321

I'm hoping for serious responses and discussion on the topic my questions raised. Think. Again. Jan 28 #327

Nope n/t Littlered Jan 26 #77

Care to expand on that? Think. Again. Jan 27 #149

What bullshit. Antifa is a violent anarchist group, and to even imply that the Democratic Party needs to employ the JohnSJ Jan 26 #80

Antifa is an anti-fascist group.... Think. Again. Jan 26 #86

That's what they want us to think Easterncedar Jan 26 #129

No. But our party must define what it means, and underscore opposition to fascism using the acronym in context msfiddlestix Jan 26 #81

Could you expand on that? I want to fully understand what you mean. Think. Again. Jan 26 #87

I feel limited in expressing more in depth... msfiddlestix Jan 26 #97

Yes, Yes, and YES! Think. Again. Jan 26 #100

The U.S. system only allows two parties, if we're being honest. DJ Synikus Makisimus Jan 26 #83

Well said. And even with that in mind... Think. Again. Jan 26 #88

Sorta depends ... DJ Synikus Makisimus Jan 26 #98

You make great points.... Think. Again. Jan 26 #102

Yeah, you're probably correct. DJ Synikus Makisimus Jan 26 #108

Oh, also DJ Synikus Makisimus Jan 26 #115

Good point. Think. Again. Jan 26 #120

Considering 'Antifa' at most was like 250 students attending various west coast universities and started in the 10's AZJonnie Jan 26 #92

Good points, and I agree we couldn't just depend on.... Think. Again. Jan 26 #93

The power of Anonymous was the lack of hierarchy - TBF Jan 26 #95

Thank you. Think. Again. Jan 26 #96

I strongly disagree with the concept advanced in the OP LetMyPeopleVote Jan 26 #99

To further clarify... Think. Again. Jan 26 #104

Again, you are WRONG and your proposal would guarantee further losses LetMyPeopleVote Jan 26 #107

Many Dems did not turnout to vote... Think. Again. Jan 26 #114

The way forward is not to help the GOP win with the formation of bogus third parties who will peal away votes LetMyPeopleVote Jan 26 #117

I agree... Think. Again. Jan 26 #124

LOL Yet you refused to answer basic questions about the new "formal political party" LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #315

I made no proposal. Think. Again. Jan 28 #318

I am sorry that you are unable to deal with the real-world issues raised by your "question" LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #323

I appreciate the few serious and well-considered responses I've recieved. Think. Again. Jan 28 #329

A 5-year old post from Elon's site is what you use to base TBF Jan 26 #127

66,388 Green Party voters in Pennsylvania brought you Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth. LetMyPeopleVote Jan 26 #139

The only 2 3rd party seats in the Senate voted against hegseth. Think. Again. Jan 27 #148

There are no third party seats in the Senate. N/T lapucelle Jan 27 #193

The independent party holds 2 seats. Think. Again. Jan 27 #196

So they're not third party. Thank you for confirming your error. N/T lapucelle Jan 27 #199

You don't consider Independents to be third party? Think. Again. Jan 27 #201

LOL Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #233

Because I do not want that. Think. Again. Jan 27 #234

Then what purpose does it serve to add another third party to the ballot in the real world? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #235

The purpose I stated in the OP... Think. Again. Jan 27 #238

This concept is simply WRONG in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #241

Building a strong coalition of Pro-Democracy, Anti-fascist voters will.... Think. Again. Jan 27 #242

Not in the real world of US politics LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #245

I disagree, I believe strengthening the vote against the facists will.... Think. Again. Jan 27 #248

You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #257

Thank you for your input. Think. Again. Jan 27 #259

How will this silly plan work in the real world? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #284

Why are you assuming Liberals would want to split their votes? Think. Again. Jan 28 #290

Again, explain how your silly proposal will work in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #297

I believe I made it clear... Think. Again. Jan 28 #299

How will your amusing plan do that? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #302

A strong collaboration... Think. Again. Jan 28 #303

LOL It is sad that you are unable and have failed on numerous occasions to explain your silly proposal LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #309

Again, I have no proposal... Think. Again. Jan 28 #311

You might want to delete or amend your OP LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #312

I made no proposal, I asked questions... Think. Again. Jan 28 #313

It is really sad that you are unable to explain your proposal or even deal with issues raised by your "question" LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #314

I'm sorry you find the issue "amusing". Think. Again. Jan 28 #317

I am sorry that you are unable to deal with the real-world issues raised by your "question" LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #322

I posed the questions in the hope of serious debate. Think. Again. Jan 28 #328

Not in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #286

Correct, the OP is not about votes... Think. Again. Jan 28 #291

Read your OP, you want to form a "formal political party" for anti-fa supporters LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #296

Perhaps you should read my OP... Think. Again. Jan 28 #298

I never mentioned anything about winning races... Think. Again. Jan 28 #300

No, I do not consider the two Independent senators members of a third party. lapucelle Jan 27 #268

I wonder if that's a widespread opinion... Think. Again. Jan 27 #270

FALSE. Although they are not affiliated with either party, they do not belong to an official "Independent Party." Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #200

You don't consider Independents to be "third party" ? Think. Again. Jan 27 #204

I consider myself a part of the reality-based community where making-shit-up * Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #207

You're right, I made a linguistic error. Oh, woe is me. Think. Again. Jan 27 #208

"Linguistic error" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤪🙄 Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #211

And thank you for the kicks... Think. Again. Jan 27 #214

I hate to be the one to tell you, my dear... but that's a very low measurement of "success". Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #217

3000 people have now heard my concern that we need to fight stronger against fascism. Think. Again. Jan 27 #219

LOL... "3000 people" ... pure fantasy. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #221

(Hit "info" on the original post page and scroll down to "views") Think. Again. Jan 27 #223

Clearly, you do not comprehend the difference between multiple "pageviews" from the same person * Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #225

Views is views. Think. Again. Jan 27 #227

And thank YOU for admitting that "views" and "recs" is the objective... Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #230

But I never said, and don't believe in, either of those things. Think. Again. Jan 27 #232

No that's false. The OP is promoting the idea of a separate "formal" Antifa party. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #237

Third parties do not necessarily siphon votes away from other parties. Think. Again. Jan 27 #240

🤡 Stop supporting, defending and advocating for third-parties. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #243

You might be interested in exploring more about how offering voters... Think. Again. Jan 27 #244

I live in the real world. I know that third-party candidates siphon votes from Democratic candidates. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #246

I support the ideals of Pro-Democracy and Anti-fascism. Think. Again. Jan 27 #247

LOL. If that were true, then there would be zero support of third-parties to siphon votes from Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #249

My support for Pro-Democracy, Anti-fascist ideology is the clear basis of this OP. Think. Again. Jan 27 #251

No, that's false. Anyone can clearly see that it's promoting the idea of an Antifa party * Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #252

I don't believe collaborating with a new third party that shares our goals... Think. Again. Jan 27 #254

That's not what you said. You're advocating FOR a third party. Also * Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #256

I don't agree with your assumption.... Think. Again. Jan 27 #258

Pure fantasy. Dangerous treachery. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #260

Thank you for your input. Think. Again. Jan 27 #261

You're welcome. Oopsie Daisy Jan 27 #262

This message was self-deleted by its author Think. Again. Jan 27 #212

You are using facts in this discussion LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #253

I have ignored no "facts", I have debated assumptions and falsehoods. Think. Again. Jan 27 #263

You will NOT deal with the facts that your silly proposal will only help trump and his fascists LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #283

Your assumptions are not facts. Think. Again. Jan 28 #289

Non-responsive. Want to try again? nt TBF Jan 27 #228

Are you kidding? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #239

Apparently, enough Democratic voters didn't want Casey. Think. Again. Jan 27 #250

No - I questioned your 5-year old post, explained it meant nothing - TBF Jan 27 #266

LOL. LetMyPeopleVote Jan 27 #282

lolol - you are still avoiding the original topic - TBF Jan 27 #287

And I absolutely guarantee that most can't define fascism. WarGamer Jan 27 #278

You men like getting an ID card 'n pay dues and stuff? marble falls Jan 26 #121

My suggestion is to join forces with and empower as many pro-Democracy... Think. Again. Jan 26 #125

I agree fwiw - although voicing that in these quarters TBF Jan 27 #288

Thank you, they do seem to be determined though. Think. Again. Jan 28 #292

Excellent point. You are who you vote for. OLDMDDEM Jan 27 #151

They have to take JustAnotherGen Jan 27 #255

People who hate Democrats should really just be honest and join third parties (make LOTS third parties betsuni Jan 27 #264

Yeah, but my OP is about whether we (the U.S.) need a stronger position against fascism on our political stage. Think. Again. Jan 27 #265

The OP is about whether or not it's time for Antifa to organize into a formal political party. lapucelle Jan 27 #281

"...or will the Democratic Party become focused enough to do what must be done?" Think. Again. Jan 28 #293

Purity test? Ilikepurple Jan 27 #285

I'm watching this movie tonight called the Underground 1941 and it's about the Nazis and it's scary that it could kimbutgar Jan 27 #276

Yes, it is happening here, but so many don't want to face it, just like in germany in the 1930's. Think. Again. Jan 27 #277

YES!!! samnsara Jan 28 #301

The GOP would think this is an excellent idea. Turbineguy Jan 28 #304

Maybe we should stop allowing the GOP to make our decisions. Think. Again. Jan 28 #305

Now that's an excellent idea! Turbineguy Jan 28 #306

The GOP will campaign on anti-fa being the bad guys if this silly proposal is adopted LetMyPeopleVote Jan 28 #326

Are we really setting our strategies around whether the rightwing will call us names? Think. Again. Jan 28 #331

We are antifa. Not to be confused with the anarchists. 58Sunliner Jan 28 #307

I absolutely agree... Think. Again. Jan 28 #308

It is time United Airlines became a tasty snack? Gore1FL Jan 28 #330