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The Way Forward

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yellow dahlia

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Wed Jan 29, 2025, 08:45 PM Jan 29

I realize I may get some flack for this, but here goes. [View all]

Last edited Wed Jan 29, 2025, 09:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Apparently on an interview with Jon Stewart, AOC said: "We need to become BRAWLERS for the working class” **
This is how she sees that "democrats could win back messaging and make real progress for real people".

I have a problem with those trying to turn the Democratic party into a specific category or a monolith, in any way. Isn't the whole point of the Democratic Party is that is a "big tent" party.

There has been a lot of talk since the election about how the Dems need to learn to speak to "regular folks". This strategy is sometimes portrayed (from my perspective) as the Dems apologizing for the elites and academics. I have seen some playbooks that sound like they are encouraging the "dumbing down" of the Democratic Party.

I do not agree that the result of the last election can be blamed on the Democrats having the "wrong message", or directing their message to the wrong people.

So is AOC advocating for focusing on a certain population, that does not include some of us?

Are academics and intellectual elites excluded from that working class?

Are aging hippies comfortably (financially and otherwise) living out their years in a cabin in Vermont, excluded from the Democratic base?

Is anyone who happens to be financially secure and no longer working excluded as a priority for the Democratic Party.

Is anyone who happens to be financially secure, period, not in need of the policies of the Democratic Party?

There are those who are limited by their disabilities and unable to work. They are clearly not the "working class".

Are all of us on this forum the working class? Shouldn't the Democratic Party be representing and protecting and defending and "fighting" for all of us?

And I have a question about the word "brawler"?

Is that not a word that reflects a tough attitude of the Bronx?

I don't know that speaking like a tough person from the Bronx has an overall appeal to the American citizenry. There are a lot of people in need of the help of the Democratic Party right now. Some of those people don't respond to the tough brawler persona.

I find a lot of incredibly smart people on this forum. A lot of us would describe ourselves as part of the "resistance". I would say we represent the "opposition". I see much discussion that is geared toward saving our democracy and the future of this country. Do all of us see the brawler stance as the future approach for the Democratic Party?

Don't get me wrong. I think AOC is smart and effective. Right now the Democratic Party can use her energy in the House, and I think she does a great job in Committee.

** I had to make an edit and correct the word "middle class". It was supposed to read "working class". I copied and pasted it from somewhere and didn't realize they had changed the quote. BIG MEA CULPA!
For clarification, my criticism was of the phrase "working class" and its limited meaning. That was indeed the phrase she used. I just found the article in which the phrase was used. Here it is. https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-democrat


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It appears to me gab13by13 Jan 29 #1
I totally disagree! tableturner Jan 29 #2
A. I did not say I think Dems aren't doing enough. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #13
you're right in a lot of what you say here. stopdiggin Jan 29 #3
What "brawler" means in AOC's context.... tableturner Jan 29 #7
I understand your point. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #15
Did you see my correction on my OP? yellow dahlia Jan 29 #27
and I agree with about 95% of what you had to say stopdiggin Jan 29 #34
The word choice is probably intended to evoke commitment. Frasier Balzov Jan 29 #4
IMHO, you missed her point. Phoenix61 Jan 29 #5
I agree...SCREW decorum! That's how the GOP kicks our asses! tableturner Jan 29 #10
I think the push back regarding the EO's in the past couple of days yellow dahlia Jan 29 #16
I needed to make a correction in my OP. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #18
I believe you might be wrongly hung up on the "middle class" thing. Think. Again. Jan 29 #6
"Ocasio-Cortez said, we need to be a party of brawlers for the working class." yellow dahlia Jan 29 #8
Cut and pasted from your OP above... Think. Again. Jan 29 #11
Your OP states it differently. Sailingfish Jan 29 #14
I have since realized that it wa indeed the phrase - "working class". yellow dahlia Jan 29 #20
Thanks. No apologies needed at all. Sailingfish Jan 29 #25
Thank you for your gracious reply. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #31
Cheers Sailingfish Thursday #38
Thanks for clearing that up! Sorry about the confusion. Think. Again. Jan 29 #35
My apologies. There was a typo in my OP. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #19
My take SilasSouleII Jan 29 #9
I'll agree. The word "brawlers" means a lot of things n I'm not getting hung up on a word. Her intent is more important Deuxcents Jan 29 #12
The phrase used by AOC was actually "working class. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #23
the middle class made this country? try again. NoRethugFriends Jan 29 #37
The Revolutionary War ... Xoan Jan 29 #17
Freedom riders. CoopersDad Jan 29 #22
Here is a more full transcript of the exchange. Context matters. CoopersDad Jan 29 #21
She used that phrase in more than one interview. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #24
and that is actually WAY more disappointing stopdiggin Jan 29 #36
How I'm reading it Lulu KC Jan 29 #26
Thank you for your input and thoughts. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #29
The notion that Democrats need to be brawlers is spot on, gab13by13 Jan 29 #28
I think the push back regarding the EO's in the past couple of days yellow dahlia Jan 29 #30
I like anyone that names themselves after a flower. Brogrizzly Jan 29 #32
Thank you. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #33
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. yellow dahlia Friday #47
Working class for populists means rural white men in swing states who used to have good union manufacturing jobs betsuni Thursday #39
Right. The Biden/Harris administration implemented policies yellow dahlia Friday #48
I don't know. Elessar Zappa Thursday #40
What if we are all of the above (or many of the above) - TBF Thursday #41
I think you may not understand the purpose of my post. yellow dahlia Thursday #42
So, would you prefer a polite and timid Bettie Friday #43
I never said anything about polite and timid response. And I never said yellow dahlia Friday #44
I feel like your concerns have some merit, however I wouldn't fret over attention to the working class emphasis.so long msfiddlestix Friday #45
I agree with you that Democrats shouldn't be narrowing their representation to particular groups. Paladin Friday #46
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