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tableturner

(1,778 posts)
2. I totally disagree!
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 09:00 PM
Jan 29

We are not tough enough...we SHOULD become brawlers!

What the Democrats in Congress are doing is not enough! If the roles were reversed, the Republicans, not just office holders, but also surrogates, and LOTS of them, would be furiously and unrelentingly venting on TV, social media, and everywhere there is an opportunity to do so. Yes, Republicans go full throttle to make their points, which usually are total garbage.

We don't take it that far, and while our people are out exposing the horrible truth, not enough of them are, those who are, are not doing it with enough fury, and they are not filling the airwaves like the Republicans do. Can you honestly say that our efforts regarding this or any issue are as intense as what the GOP does to attack an issue? You know that our side does not come close to matching that. We are fighting on this issue the way we have always done it, and the way we have always done it has led to more losses than should be the case, given that we have the facts on our side.

Which is why:

They take a complete nothing and turn it into a big something.

We take a big something and turn it into a complete nothing.

They fight hard non-stop and win...we fight with a lot less intensity, and we get our asses kicked over and over. Even when we win, we win by less than we should for the same reasons.

Democrats should do what Republicans do to attack us with lies (but we can do it with the truth!), which is to have our reps and surrogates unrelentingly spew the truth with the same focus, repetition, and venom that the Republicans use when they spew lies!

Those of us who think the Democrats are doing enough are part of the problem.

Edited to add: You wrote: I do not agree that the result of the last election can be blamed on the Democrats having the "wrong message", or directing their message to the wrong people.

My response: Oh yeah? Then why are so many buying the lies and garbage from the Republicans if our messaging is effective? A huge number of people in this country believe totally ridiculous bullshit, thanks to the Republicans' strong messaging and our WEAK messaging!

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It appears to me gab13by13 Jan 29 #1
I totally disagree! tableturner Jan 29 #2
A. I did not say I think Dems aren't doing enough. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #13
you're right in a lot of what you say here. stopdiggin Jan 29 #3
What "brawler" means in AOC's context.... tableturner Jan 29 #7
I understand your point. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #15
Did you see my correction on my OP? yellow dahlia Jan 29 #27
and I agree with about 95% of what you had to say stopdiggin Jan 29 #34
The word choice is probably intended to evoke commitment. Frasier Balzov Jan 29 #4
IMHO, you missed her point. Phoenix61 Jan 29 #5
I agree...SCREW decorum! That's how the GOP kicks our asses! tableturner Jan 29 #10
I think the push back regarding the EO's in the past couple of days yellow dahlia Jan 29 #16
I needed to make a correction in my OP. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #18
I believe you might be wrongly hung up on the "middle class" thing. Think. Again. Jan 29 #6
"Ocasio-Cortez said, we need to be a party of brawlers for the working class." yellow dahlia Jan 29 #8
Cut and pasted from your OP above... Think. Again. Jan 29 #11
Your OP states it differently. Sailingfish Jan 29 #14
I have since realized that it wa indeed the phrase - "working class". yellow dahlia Jan 29 #20
Thanks. No apologies needed at all. Sailingfish Jan 29 #25
Thank you for your gracious reply. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #31
Cheers Sailingfish Thursday #38
Thanks for clearing that up! Sorry about the confusion. Think. Again. Jan 29 #35
My apologies. There was a typo in my OP. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #19
My take SilasSouleII Jan 29 #9
I'll agree. The word "brawlers" means a lot of things n I'm not getting hung up on a word. Her intent is more important Deuxcents Jan 29 #12
The phrase used by AOC was actually "working class. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #23
the middle class made this country? try again. NoRethugFriends Jan 29 #37
The Revolutionary War ... Xoan Jan 29 #17
Freedom riders. CoopersDad Jan 29 #22
Here is a more full transcript of the exchange. Context matters. CoopersDad Jan 29 #21
She used that phrase in more than one interview. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #24
and that is actually WAY more disappointing stopdiggin Jan 29 #36
How I'm reading it Lulu KC Jan 29 #26
Thank you for your input and thoughts. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #29
The notion that Democrats need to be brawlers is spot on, gab13by13 Jan 29 #28
I think the push back regarding the EO's in the past couple of days yellow dahlia Jan 29 #30
I like anyone that names themselves after a flower. Brogrizzly Jan 29 #32
Thank you. yellow dahlia Jan 29 #33
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. yellow dahlia Friday #47
Working class for populists means rural white men in swing states who used to have good union manufacturing jobs betsuni Thursday #39
Right. The Biden/Harris administration implemented policies yellow dahlia Friday #48
I don't know. Elessar Zappa Thursday #40
What if we are all of the above (or many of the above) - TBF Thursday #41
I think you may not understand the purpose of my post. yellow dahlia Thursday #42
So, would you prefer a polite and timid Bettie Friday #43
I never said anything about polite and timid response. And I never said yellow dahlia Friday #44
I feel like your concerns have some merit, however I wouldn't fret over attention to the working class emphasis.so long msfiddlestix Friday #45
I agree with you that Democrats shouldn't be narrowing their representation to particular groups. Paladin Friday #46
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