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tableturner

(1,801 posts)
2. I totally disagree!
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 10:00 PM
Jan 2025

We are not tough enough...we SHOULD become brawlers!

What the Democrats in Congress are doing is not enough! If the roles were reversed, the Republicans, not just office holders, but also surrogates, and LOTS of them, would be furiously and unrelentingly venting on TV, social media, and everywhere there is an opportunity to do so. Yes, Republicans go full throttle to make their points, which usually are total garbage.

We don't take it that far, and while our people are out exposing the horrible truth, not enough of them are, those who are, are not doing it with enough fury, and they are not filling the airwaves like the Republicans do. Can you honestly say that our efforts regarding this or any issue are as intense as what the GOP does to attack an issue? You know that our side does not come close to matching that. We are fighting on this issue the way we have always done it, and the way we have always done it has led to more losses than should be the case, given that we have the facts on our side.

Which is why:

They take a complete nothing and turn it into a big something.

We take a big something and turn it into a complete nothing.

They fight hard non-stop and win...we fight with a lot less intensity, and we get our asses kicked over and over. Even when we win, we win by less than we should for the same reasons.

Democrats should do what Republicans do to attack us with lies (but we can do it with the truth!), which is to have our reps and surrogates unrelentingly spew the truth with the same focus, repetition, and venom that the Republicans use when they spew lies!

Those of us who think the Democrats are doing enough are part of the problem.

Edited to add: You wrote: I do not agree that the result of the last election can be blamed on the Democrats having the "wrong message", or directing their message to the wrong people.

My response: Oh yeah? Then why are so many buying the lies and garbage from the Republicans if our messaging is effective? A huge number of people in this country believe totally ridiculous bullshit, thanks to the Republicans' strong messaging and our WEAK messaging!

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It appears to me gab13by13 Jan 2025 #1
I totally disagree! tableturner Jan 2025 #2
A. I did not say I think Dems aren't doing enough. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #13
you're right in a lot of what you say here. stopdiggin Jan 2025 #3
What "brawler" means in AOC's context.... tableturner Jan 2025 #7
I understand your point. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #15
Did you see my correction on my OP? yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #27
and I agree with about 95% of what you had to say stopdiggin Jan 2025 #34
The word choice is probably intended to evoke commitment. Frasier Balzov Jan 2025 #4
IMHO, you missed her point. Phoenix61 Jan 2025 #5
I agree...SCREW decorum! That's how the GOP kicks our asses! tableturner Jan 2025 #10
I think the push back regarding the EO's in the past couple of days yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #16
I needed to make a correction in my OP. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #18
I believe you might be wrongly hung up on the "middle class" thing. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #6
"Ocasio-Cortez said, we need to be a party of brawlers for the working class." yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #8
Cut and pasted from your OP above... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #11
Your OP states it differently. Sailingfish Jan 2025 #14
I have since realized that it wa indeed the phrase - "working class". yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #20
Thanks. No apologies needed at all. Sailingfish Jan 2025 #25
Thank you for your gracious reply. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #31
Cheers Sailingfish Jan 2025 #38
Thanks for clearing that up! Sorry about the confusion. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #35
My apologies. There was a typo in my OP. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #19
My take SilasSouleII Jan 2025 #9
I'll agree. The word "brawlers" means a lot of things n I'm not getting hung up on a word. Her intent is more important Deuxcents Jan 2025 #12
The phrase used by AOC was actually "working class. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #23
the middle class made this country? try again. NoRethugFriends Jan 2025 #37
The Revolutionary War ... Xoan Jan 2025 #17
Freedom riders. CoopersDad Jan 2025 #22
Here is a more full transcript of the exchange. Context matters. CoopersDad Jan 2025 #21
She used that phrase in more than one interview. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #24
and that is actually WAY more disappointing stopdiggin Jan 2025 #36
How I'm reading it Lulu KC Jan 2025 #26
Thank you for your input and thoughts. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #29
The notion that Democrats need to be brawlers is spot on, gab13by13 Jan 2025 #28
I think the push back regarding the EO's in the past couple of days yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #30
I like anyone that names themselves after a flower. Brogrizzly Jan 2025 #32
Thank you. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #33
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #47
Working class for populists means rural white men in swing states who used to have good union manufacturing jobs betsuni Jan 2025 #39
Right. The Biden/Harris administration implemented policies yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #48
I don't know. Elessar Zappa Jan 2025 #40
What if we are all of the above (or many of the above) - TBF Jan 2025 #41
I think you may not understand the purpose of my post. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #42
So, would you prefer a polite and timid Bettie Jan 2025 #43
I never said anything about polite and timid response. And I never said yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #44
I feel like your concerns have some merit, however I wouldn't fret over attention to the working class emphasis.so long msfiddlestix Jan 2025 #45
I agree with you that Democrats shouldn't be narrowing their representation to particular groups. Paladin Jan 2025 #46
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