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JohnSJ

(97,246 posts)
8. Why didn't Nina Turner, David Sirota, Briahana Joy Gray, Cornell West, etc. who were integral part of his campaign in
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 08:28 PM
Jan 21

2016 refused to vote for Hillary in the general election, along with others such as susan sarandon, and why did they encourage others to do likewise? His judgement was too good when he picked those people it seems, and there was no ambiguity what was at stake then, THE SUPRME COURT.

It didn't take much either.

In every swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while in those critical swing states Jill Stein received 1% of the vote.

The "Democratic Party needs to change"? nonesense. These suppossed self-identified progressives, who don't like to be identified as Democrats better screw their heads on straight. It isn't the "either my way or the highway" bullshit.

If you are part of the Democratic Party then you work within the Democratic party, and that MEANS that if there is disagreements among Democrats they work together through those disagreements, and if in the end on some issues they don't prevail, you don't take your marbles and go away, or in this case not vote.

For gosh sakes, how stupid are people anyway.

Biden was the first President to walk a picket line, and along with Harris was as pro-labor as they come, yet labor split the vote between the sociopath and VP Harris. It isn't because the Democrats had the wrong message, it is because labor themselves were their own worst enemy. They did the same thing by voting for Reagan over Carter. That worked out real well for them, and was the beginning of the corporate anti-union movement.

Then there was the Latino's who split the vote between the sociopath and VP Harris. We will see how that works out if god forbid the sociopath's actual deportation plans are realized.

and last but not least the protesters, who were angry with Biden because after the October 7 slaughter he sent weapons to Israel, instead of doing what THEY wanted, to boycott Israel. An overwhelming bipartisan Congress was against that. In addition, the Problem with that logic is that Biden/Harris were constantly pushing for a ceasefire, return of hostages, and back to the negotiating tables. That wasn't good enough for hamas, Israel, etc. so the protesters so they decided to play the same game that was played in 2016. We will see how that works out for them.

The problem is there are interests within the Democratic party who if they don't get there way, they won't vote or vote third party.

On most of the issues, abortion, the environment, minimum wage, social security, medicare, healthcare, women rights, workers rights, civil rights, etc. the Democrats are on the same page, and there is NO AMBIGUITY WHERE THEY STAND.

The Democratic Party is NOT THE PROBLEM.

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12 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Mostly, yes... WarGamer Jan 21 #1
Bernie has always Faux pas Jan 21 #2
Indeed!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 22 #34
I have always agreed with Bernie's policies... Think. Again. Jan 21 #3
Yep!! He's been the one all along. wordstroken Jan 21 #4
I thought it was a good listen LilElf70 Jan 21 #5
Bernie has always been an FDR independent. I wish the D party would move toward FDRs and Bernie's policies. Clouds Passing Jan 21 #6
Ya know, I always thought LilElf70 Jan 21 #7
Her was smeared pretty well by some members of the progressive caucus, so much so that some refused to endorse him or JohnSJ Jan 21 #11
Bernie endorsed both Hilary and Kamala Clouds Passing Jan 22 #20
I wasn't referring to Bernie. I believe you said something to the effect that the neocons in the D party maligned JohnSJ Jan 22 #21
It's not Democratic neocons. They're neo-liberals. Weird name for economic globalists. hedda_foil Jan 22 #22
Meant neo-liberals. Clouds Passing Jan 22 #35
True. hedda_foil Jan 22 #38
Why didn't Nina Turner, David Sirota, Briahana Joy Gray, Cornell West, etc. who were integral part of his campaign in JohnSJ Jan 21 #8
Agreed. This sounds so much like B.See Jan 22 #17
YES - the point is the ideas. TBF Jan 21 #9
We can start with LilElf70 Jan 21 #10
100% on both - and I really wanted AOC for that role. nt TBF Jan 22 #24
Really? Martin68 Jan 21 #12
Actually, Hillary Clinton was right all along ismnotwasm Jan 21 #13
She was right about most things. Bluepinky Jan 22 #19
He voted against the USA PATRIOT Act, too. intheflow Jan 22 #23
He also voted multiple times against The Magnitsky Act, and voted for and boasted about the Crime Bill his emulatorloo Jan 22 #29
She voted for Iraq War, he voted against it, just as I stated. Bluepinky Jan 22 #37
She wasn't right when as a senator, she voted for the defense of marriage act. Lunabell Jan 22 #27
THANK YOU Skittles Jan 23 #41
As much as I appreciate all the feedback, LilElf70 Jan 21 #14
Thanks! You nailed it. nt TBF Jan 22 #25
Yes osteopath6 Jan 22 #15
And he's not against using his powder! GPV Jan 22 #32
Agreed! osteopath6 Jan 23 #39
I voted for Bernie in 16 and 20. He has it right. scipan Jan 22 #16
Part of the the reason LilElf70 Jan 22 #18
They wanted change with Obama & TBF Jan 22 #26
That is it osteopath6 Jan 23 #40
Bernie has good ideas, but lacks the skills to make concrete plans to implement them. emulatorloo Jan 22 #28
Yep. He was right all along. N/t Peregrine Took Jan 22 #30
BERNIE sure as hell was right before the Ukraine invasion... WarGamer Jan 22 #31
Yes. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 22 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 22 #36
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