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The Way Forward

In reply to the discussion: Act like Democrats. [View all]
 

Sailingfish

(47 posts)
26. All wars result in the death and murder of innocents. That's the point.
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 12:27 PM
Jan 22

How many dead Palestinian and Israeli civilians and children have been slaughtered over the decades. How many innocent civilians and children in Iraq died after a bullshit invasion based on a lie. An invasion that many Democrats supported. And on and on. Your post is sophistry and gaslighting in defense of that which you claim to oppose. More Debs below...

They have always taught and trained you to believe it to be your patriotic duty to go to war and to have yourselves slaughtered at their command. But in all the history of the world you, the people, have never had a voice in declaring war, and strange as it certainly appears, no war by any nation in any age has ever been declared by the people.

And here let me emphasize the fact — and it cannot be repeated too often — that the working class who fight all the battles, the working class who make the supreme sacrifices, the working class who freely shed their blood and furnish the corpses, have never yet had a voice in either declaring war or making peace. It is the ruling class that invariably does both. They alone declare war and they alone make peace.

Yours not to reason why;
Yours but to do and die.

That is their motto and we object on the part of the awakening workers of this nation.
If war is right let it be declared by the people. You who have your lives to lose, you certainly above all others have the right to decide the momentous issue of war or peace.


--Eugene Debs

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Act like Democrats. [View all] WarGamer Jan 21 OP
True. I didn't like the cozying up to Cheneys either ck4829 Jan 21 #1
I actually don't believe in a mono-polar world. WarGamer Jan 21 #2
Yeah the whole "Let's just forget about all the evil shit Putin does and be friends" is naive and foolish. BannonsLiver Jan 21 #3
that's a bit black and white. WarGamer Jan 21 #13
NATO isn't clean either osteopath6 Jan 22 #20
Another thing to discuss is to fight "the man". We totally should go back to that. ck4829 Jan 21 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 21 #5
Peltier was convicted in 1977 dpibel Jan 21 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 21 #11
MAGA light? BannonsLiver Jan 21 #15
I see that The Wandering Harper Jan 27 #41
Doesn't make it maga light though. BannonsLiver Jan 27 #42
that's a matter of opinion The Wandering Harper Jan 28 #46
Indeed. BannonsLiver Jan 28 #48
If you can count the KNEECAP movie as a documentary? The Wandering Harper Jan 28 #49
They went that long because he deserved to rot in prison Mountainguy Jan 21 #17
I am not saying we should run Liz Cheney or Adam Kensinger for president. But we need somrone doc03 Jan 21 #7
It's "canonized" dpibel Jan 21 #8
noted, tyvm. WarGamer Jan 21 #12
I agree that we need better candidates senseandsensibility Jan 21 #9
Democrats aren't silencing speech!!! Lunabell Jan 21 #10
You know what you're doing... WarGamer Jan 21 #14
Are you talking about "cancel culture" here? dpibel Jan 21 #16
It's not the Democrats who are censoring. Lunabell Jan 21 #18
Opposition to war is not a right-wing talking point. Sailingfish Jan 22 #22
Well, just tell putin about this. Lunabell Jan 22 #23
The obsession with Putin from many is beyond laughable. Sailingfish Jan 22 #24
Obsessed with putin? Lunabell Jan 22 #25
All wars result in the death and murder of innocents. That's the point. Sailingfish Jan 22 #26
This osteopath6 Jan 21 #19
Haven't Dems got any youngsters with charisma??? ultralite001 Jan 22 #21
Dem leadership growing a spine needs to be the first step GoreWon2000 Jan 22 #27
Hmmm...you managed to irk both of my enthno origins... electric_blue68 Jan 23 #28
Ok... WarGamer Jan 24 #29
Yeas, it was an allegory, but you still picked it as an example... As for Ukraine... electric_blue68 Jan 24 #30
Here's what I think... not that it means much. WarGamer Jan 24 #31
You've had some first hand experiences! Yeah, I've read about... electric_blue68 Jan 24 #32
Opportunities will be readily available. WarGamer Jan 24 #33
Utterly delusional. BannonsLiver Jan 24 #34
Just wait and see... Ukraine will come out of this better than going in... in some ways. WarGamer Jan 24 #36
ONLY because they fought Red Mountain Jan 27 #43
I wish I was a fly on the wall during the pre-war negotiations. WarGamer Jan 27 #44
Bullshit. Why should a sovereign nation give up territory to a corrupt aggressive neighbor? FSogol Jan 24 #35
Look at a map or a globe and find a nation that's never given up territory in a war... I'll wait. WarGamer Jan 24 #37
What was the net gain from Liz Cheney? Nothing. Passages Jan 25 #38
I agree. KentuckyWoman Jan 25 #39
no flames here... WarGamer Jan 25 #40
Acting like Democrats is challenging for some: Passages Jan 27 #45
I'll just be God-DAMNED if I'll stop blaming the stupid fucking voters. Paladin Jan 28 #47
10-20 years? Please double that. JHB Jan 28 #50
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