The Way Forward

Cirsium

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35. Branding doesn't matter

Reply to mopinko (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 22, 2025, 01:42 PM

Jan 22

Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2025, 02:21 PM - Edit history (1)

How about this?

So much to do, but first I'd start with a platform from FDR, and then move left.

I'm not joking.

If we keep trying to vie for the imaginary "center" we will continue to lose. Talk to people where they are about issues we have in common - and #1 to start is health care - there's a reason Luigi resonated with so many people. It wasn't because the victim was rich, it was because he led the healthcare company that denies the most claims. It is a shame that so many people know what it's like to have serious claims denied and watch family members (or themselves) suffer.

And we need better ways to communicate - when FAUX news is playing everywhere for free that is what people are listening to. We need to figure out a way to compete with this, and it's not subscribing to 100 individual podcasts.

Better?

I never met anyone who didn't understand what Sanders was saying, or thought he was howling at the moon.

Abolition came about by a party of old men and the cause was advanced by old men and old women, by the way. The abolitionists were no doubt accused of howling at the moon by the new young generation of slaveholders.

Just a few of the more important people who were pretty old when the 13th Amendment was passed:

John Quincy Adams born 1767
Samuel Fessenden born 1784
Thomas Ewing born 1785
John Alsop King born 1788
Thaddeus Stevens born 1792
Edward Bates born 1793
Joshua Reed Giddings born 1795
'Frederick Douglass born 1795
John Gorham Palfrey born 1796
Reverdy Johnson born 1796
Sojourner Truth born 1797
John Brown born 1800
Benjamin Wade born 1800
Robert Dale Owen born 1801
William Henry Seward born 1801
Angelina Grimké born 1805
William Lloyd Garrison born 1805
Francis Gillett born 1807
Salmon Portland Chase born 1808
Abraham Lincoln born 1809
Harriet Beecher Stowe born 1811

(John Quincy Adams did not live to see it.)

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So much to do, but first I'd start with a platform from Bernie Sanders, and then move left. [View all] TBF Jan 21 OP

I agree. Lunabell Jan 21 #1

Will our big donors allow this? jalan48 Jan 21 #2

That's our problem - TBF Jan 21 #5

Mostly they don't Bettie Jan 24 #65

Given Sanders didn't win the primary, would the voters allow it seems more important EdmondDantes_ Jan 21 #8

Sounds like you're a no on adopting Bernie's ideas moving forward. jalan48 Jan 21 #9

I think who wins the primaries has depended a lot TBF Jan 21 #18

This is a critical point... DEMS had more billionaires in their corner in 2024 than the GOP. WarGamer Jan 21 #17

If our goal is to please billionaires, we will never be the party for the working class. nt TBF Jan 21 #19

x1000 nt WarGamer Jan 21 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 22 #32

Yes this is exactly the starting point LearnedHand Jan 21 #3

Exactly Emile Jan 21 #4

To remind us all of the elements in the Sanders platform, I'm posting a link below from 2019. Lonestarblue Jan 21 #6

Thank you for this LearnedHand Jan 21 #12

u know a lot of ppl blame bernie for us ending up here, right? mopinko Jan 21 #7

"start with a platform" Cirsium Jan 21 #13

the op named sanders. mopinko Jan 21 #22

Right Cirsium Jan 22 #23

bad branding. mopinko Jan 22 #24

Branding doesn't matter Cirsium Jan 22 #35

yes, branding does matter. mopinko Jan 22 #41

Branding Cirsium Jan 22 #44

bernie's politics r fine w me. mopinko Jan 22 #45

Good Cirsium Jan 22 #48

Of course there's "hate out there" - oligarchs do not want to share TBF Jan 21 #15

fully fund and expand the aca. that was in place. mopinko Jan 21 #21

Medicare is in place - TBF Jan 22 #28

well, you're doing quite a bit of conflating there. but the aca exists, too. and it's better. mopinko Jan 22 #30

OK, start with ACA then - TBF Jan 22 #33

Forgive the intrusion. Hope you don't mind. Sailingfish Jan 22 #49

Fantastic food for thought TBF Jan 22 #50

What? Cirsium Jan 22 #46

This is the answer. Voltaire2 Jan 21 #10

Can you point out one neoliberalism policy of the Biden administration? Self Esteem Jan 22 #27

Any policy I don't like is neo-liberal. comradebillyboy Jan 22 #38

Exactly right. Biden might be the first non-neoliberal president we've had since LBJ. Self Esteem Jan 22 #51

Both Sides insult that Ds have same policies as Rs: deregulation, privatization, austerity, and a stupid betsuni Jan 24 #60

Well. I'm not a Bernie fan whatsoever, BUT ismnotwasm Jan 21 #11

I only mentioned Bernie because he is someone who is further left that we all know - TBF Jan 21 #16

When Tim Walz was picked by Kamala Harris I was ecstatic. She made a fabulous choice and the buzz was Nanjeanne Jan 21 #14

i ve been left most of my adult life , with out us lefties ( no joke here ) we wouldnt be here what we are today AllaN01Bear Jan 22 #25

The majority of Americans consistantly agree... Think. Again. Jan 22 #26

Absolutely - the oligarchs spend a lot of money developing wedge issues TBF Jan 22 #29

But they don't vote that way. comradebillyboy Jan 22 #36

Correct, the current Democratic Party hasn't won them over. Think. Again. Jan 22 #37

Call me when Bernie can win a Democratic primary. comradebillyboy Jan 22 #39

I don't think this OP is suggesting running Bernie. Think. Again. Jan 22 #40

Heavens no, I adore him but he has other roles now. One is making platforms - TBF Jan 22 #42

Part of the problem is that you want to immediately label TBF Jan 22 #43

A big part of Bernie's appeal is that he's not a Democrat, or at least not "Establishment." DickKessler Jan 22 #31

A thoughtful post - thank you. TBF Jan 22 #34

What is the purpose of this section? Cirsium Jan 22 #47

Yes, that will be part of pushing forward I suppose. TBF Jan 22 #53

since Bernie's plan has never really been implemented, it still is a new way forward for a party that has really NewHendoLib Jan 22 #54

I agree Cirsium Jan 23 #56

Why are the only 2 options qazplm135 Jan 22 #52

I could argue TBF Jan 23 #55

My point is qazplm135 Jan 23 #57

That is what we've been doing for years & it isn't working imo. nt TBF Jan 24 #61

Well that's the challenge qazplm135 Jan 24 #62

It needs to happen behind the scenes -- TBF Jan 24 #63

The right does it qazplm135 Jan 24 #64

What really is "far left"? The kinds of policies that every other civilized industrial nation seems to have like Nanjeanne Jan 23 #58

It doesn't matter if you or I qazplm135 Jan 23 #59

Popular for quite awhile, and that is just one policy among many we should be champions for: Passages Jan 25 #66

Agree with every point, well said msfiddlestix Jan 27 #67

Honestly I haven't a clue - I have been building my base at Bluesky TBF Jan 27 #68

As much as I have always admired her, that simply isn't enough.. but it's not nothing. msfiddlestix Wednesday #69

You're reacting appropriately to your environment TBF Thursday #70