The Way Forward

qazplm135

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52. Why are the only 2 options

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Wed Jan 22, 2025, 06:27 PM

Jan 22

Run to the middle or the far left?

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So much to do, but first I'd start with a platform from Bernie Sanders, and then move left. [View all] TBF Jan 21 OP

I agree. Lunabell Jan 21 #1

Will our big donors allow this? jalan48 Jan 21 #2

That's our problem - TBF Jan 21 #5

Mostly they don't Bettie Jan 24 #65

Given Sanders didn't win the primary, would the voters allow it seems more important EdmondDantes_ Jan 21 #8

Sounds like you're a no on adopting Bernie's ideas moving forward. jalan48 Jan 21 #9

I think who wins the primaries has depended a lot TBF Jan 21 #18

This is a critical point... DEMS had more billionaires in their corner in 2024 than the GOP. WarGamer Jan 21 #17

If our goal is to please billionaires, we will never be the party for the working class. nt TBF Jan 21 #19

x1000 nt WarGamer Jan 21 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 22 #32

Yes this is exactly the starting point LearnedHand Jan 21 #3

Exactly Emile Jan 21 #4

To remind us all of the elements in the Sanders platform, I'm posting a link below from 2019. Lonestarblue Jan 21 #6

Thank you for this LearnedHand Jan 21 #12

u know a lot of ppl blame bernie for us ending up here, right? mopinko Jan 21 #7

"start with a platform" Cirsium Jan 21 #13

the op named sanders. mopinko Jan 21 #22

Right Cirsium Jan 22 #23

bad branding. mopinko Jan 22 #24

Branding doesn't matter Cirsium Jan 22 #35

yes, branding does matter. mopinko Jan 22 #41

Branding Cirsium Jan 22 #44

bernie's politics r fine w me. mopinko Jan 22 #45

Good Cirsium Jan 22 #48

Of course there's "hate out there" - oligarchs do not want to share TBF Jan 21 #15

fully fund and expand the aca. that was in place. mopinko Jan 21 #21

Medicare is in place - TBF Jan 22 #28

well, you're doing quite a bit of conflating there. but the aca exists, too. and it's better. mopinko Jan 22 #30

OK, start with ACA then - TBF Jan 22 #33

Forgive the intrusion. Hope you don't mind. Sailingfish Jan 22 #49

Fantastic food for thought TBF Jan 22 #50

What? Cirsium Jan 22 #46

This is the answer. Voltaire2 Jan 21 #10

Can you point out one neoliberalism policy of the Biden administration? Self Esteem Jan 22 #27

Any policy I don't like is neo-liberal. comradebillyboy Jan 22 #38

Exactly right. Biden might be the first non-neoliberal president we've had since LBJ. Self Esteem Jan 22 #51

Both Sides insult that Ds have same policies as Rs: deregulation, privatization, austerity, and a stupid betsuni Jan 24 #60

Well. I'm not a Bernie fan whatsoever, BUT ismnotwasm Jan 21 #11

I only mentioned Bernie because he is someone who is further left that we all know - TBF Jan 21 #16

When Tim Walz was picked by Kamala Harris I was ecstatic. She made a fabulous choice and the buzz was Nanjeanne Jan 21 #14

i ve been left most of my adult life , with out us lefties ( no joke here ) we wouldnt be here what we are today AllaN01Bear Jan 22 #25

The majority of Americans consistantly agree... Think. Again. Jan 22 #26

Absolutely - the oligarchs spend a lot of money developing wedge issues TBF Jan 22 #29

But they don't vote that way. comradebillyboy Jan 22 #36

Correct, the current Democratic Party hasn't won them over. Think. Again. Jan 22 #37

Call me when Bernie can win a Democratic primary. comradebillyboy Jan 22 #39

I don't think this OP is suggesting running Bernie. Think. Again. Jan 22 #40

Heavens no, I adore him but he has other roles now. One is making platforms - TBF Jan 22 #42

Part of the problem is that you want to immediately label TBF Jan 22 #43

A big part of Bernie's appeal is that he's not a Democrat, or at least not "Establishment." DickKessler Jan 22 #31

A thoughtful post - thank you. TBF Jan 22 #34

What is the purpose of this section? Cirsium Jan 22 #47

Yes, that will be part of pushing forward I suppose. TBF Jan 22 #53

since Bernie's plan has never really been implemented, it still is a new way forward for a party that has really NewHendoLib Jan 22 #54

I agree Cirsium Jan 23 #56

Why are the only 2 options qazplm135 Jan 22 #52

I could argue TBF Jan 23 #55

My point is qazplm135 Jan 23 #57

That is what we've been doing for years & it isn't working imo. nt TBF Jan 24 #61

Well that's the challenge qazplm135 Jan 24 #62

It needs to happen behind the scenes -- TBF Jan 24 #63

The right does it qazplm135 Jan 24 #64

What really is "far left"? The kinds of policies that every other civilized industrial nation seems to have like Nanjeanne Jan 23 #58

It doesn't matter if you or I qazplm135 Jan 23 #59

Popular for quite awhile, and that is just one policy among many we should be champions for: Passages Jan 25 #66

Agree with every point, well said msfiddlestix Jan 27 #67

Honestly I haven't a clue - I have been building my base at Bluesky TBF Jan 27 #68

As much as I have always admired her, that simply isn't enough.. but it's not nothing. msfiddlestix Wednesday #69

You're reacting appropriately to your environment TBF Thursday #70