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Sailingfish

(47 posts)
46. Allow me to bluster a little bit off the theme. Nothing personal here.
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 02:53 PM
Jan 24

There was a time I used to get pretty angered by the type of commentary you're putting out there. Still do because it sounds like a defense of business as usual. Here's the thing though. The "pragmatic" positions you and many others stake out within the framework of the Democratic Party and capitalist society are not unrealistic. Several years ago at one of the leftist boards (leftist as in anti-capitalist) where discussions were raging on about "what is to be done" a poster made a comment that rings true and stuck in my mind. The gist of the comment was that the progressive or "left-wing" of the Democratic Party are more unrealistic than the the "pragmatic" defenders of business as usual. The point being was that the progressive wing are demanding things that capitalism can't give. I think that's correct as much as I wish it wasn't so. The best the progressive wing can hope for is the ghost of FDR and New Deal type policy returning. That was a long time ago, under circumstances that bear little resemblance to the late stage capitalism and globalization we see today. Even if some of that were possible, it still doesn't address the underlying foundations of the problem. In the long run, capitalism does not elevate the majority, it impoverishes the majority, and it can't work any other way, despite the best intentions of the reformists. Monopoly of wealth created by the many is not a bug. It's a feature of capitalist social relations and that will not change.

Now, the standard response to that is "well it's still better than anything else that's been tried." The anti-capitalist left has done a pretty good job of making that answer a reality. Many of us who fought in that realm sucked. We lost the plot and purpose in a sea of bitter sectarianism, authoritarianism, and totalitarian dictates. The authoritarian statists long ago won the battle within the anti-capitalist left to be the "vanguard" of saving the working class. Problem is they lost the overall war and were full of shit. In the name of being the "vanguard" of saving the working class they instead enslaved it in a different form. The monumental failures of the movement certainly enhanced the thought process of "capitalism as the end of history."

As is obvious, I have no answers to the wails and shrieks of "what is your plan then." Only observations of some of went wrong in freeing the working masses from their chains in what is now a global plantation of wealthy masters and impoverished slaves. The grip of the wealthy and powerful solidified to the point of what appears to be no return. Still, people of good will - who still believe in the cause of freedom, emancipation, and controlling one's own destiny - must fight back in the face of insurmountable odds. In the big picture, "the way forward", and "what is to be done", is a much larger fight than "the way forward" and "what is to be done" within the confines of the Democratic Party and the Overton window of "capitalism as the end of history."

For now, Lincoln's words - "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" - might be the rallying cry of any party claiming to represent the interests of the working class. Too often the reality is the exact opposite. Nothing done is in deference to the working class and labor as the first priority. It's done in deference to private capital first, while pretending the opposite is the reality. It isn't. Not even FDR and the New Deal addressed that problem. FDR and the New Deal was a program to save capitalism and to stop the masses from revolting. Labor and the working classes are "entitled" to all they create. Not a small minority of wealthy and powerful who think they are entitled to all of it.

Excuse the bad grammar and structure of my commentary. I'm not all that well educated in such matters.

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WTF these people. Where is the lack of integrity.... what crap. I dont want him running my party. LizBeth Jan 23 #1
And people keep telling us - - this is what the party needs to WIN .... stopdiggin Jan 23 #14
I thought Biden and Harris had plenty of integrity... Evolve Dammit Jan 23 #2
lack of integrity means bernie was not nominated lol nt msongs Jan 23 #3
exactly comradebillyboy Jan 24 #37
Compared to what other political party in this country? BOSSHOG Jan 23 #4
Yeah JustAnotherGen Jan 23 #5
I should look it up, but who selects the chair? Anyway, I would hope they listen to numerous views. Silent Type Jan 23 #6
He says in the video that no votes have been cast yet, and of course as we know it's DNC members who vote. betsuni Jan 24 #18
It seems like there are a few DUers who erroneously think comradebillyboy Jan 24 #38
Sounds like a repuke to me SheltieLover Jan 23 #7
Fetterman Tetrachloride Jan 23 #8
The major problem with Bernie was his associates Keepthesoulalive Jan 23 #9
Gee who hired those folks for Bernie? comradebillyboy Jan 24 #39
Lack of Integrity? Zackzzzz Jan 23 #10
I don't know that he can win, but he is 100% right. Bluetus Jan 23 #11
You are wrong. There is no lack of integrity of our candidates. FSogol Jan 23 #13
you are way too kind. "bollocks" - would be quite adequate and sufficient here ... -(nt)- stopdiggin Jan 24 #15
Read the post again. You don't understand the context of "integrity" Bluetus Jan 24 #16
Context? How does context change the definition of a word? Phoenix61 Jan 24 #31
That's not the only definition. Integrity requires providing the full picture. Bluetus Jan 24 #36
Oh BS! PortTack Jan 24 #54
Well we'll just skip over lack of vote integrity, gerrymandering, and voter suppression, voter purges, etc.. 58Sunliner Jan 24 #17
I have never voted for Bernie. I didn't even know this guy was associated with Bernie Bluetus Jan 24 #23
Integrity was definitely a poor choice of words. CrispyQ Jan 24 #29
It feels like you are gaslighting me. A process goof? 58Sunliner Jan 24 #47
The dems have gotten too repub light for my taste burrowowl Jan 24 #24
The only thing in the middle of the road is road kill Bluetus Jan 24 #28
The so-called things ... littlemissmartypants Jan 24 #40
Nobody voted for the middle of the road. Bluetus Jan 24 #42
We ignore the growing number of unaffiliated voters... littlemissmartypants Jan 24 #44
I fully agree Bluetus Jan 24 #50
No ...you are missing simple big picture here. We lost because this country is racist sexist and bigoted PortTack Jan 24 #55
Some percentage did, but that's completely beside the big picture Bluetus Jan 24 #59
Something I would expect from him. RandySF Jan 23 #12
What a hit job Cirsium Jan 24 #19
How exactly is the Democratic Party not the party of the working class? betsuni Jan 24 #20
Ok..here's an example... Fix The Stupid Jan 24 #21
What Republican policies help the working class? Give some examples. betsuni Jan 24 #26
It's not that. It's that the ... littlemissmartypants Jan 24 #41
Allow me to bluster a little bit off the theme. Nothing personal here. Sailingfish Jan 24 #46
That is not what was said Cirsium Jan 24 #30
People really should listen to the interview. He says "there is a lack of integrity ABOUT the DNC BRAND" Nanjeanne Jan 24 #22
I agree. Let's not be a part of the problem. Too many people get their news in soundbites and memes tulipsandroses Jan 24 #33
The f***? Srsly. Have they seen Trump? TBF Jan 24 #25
Omfg kerouac2 Jan 24 #27
In his defense, I think that one line is poorly stated. I listened to everything else after that statement tulipsandroses Jan 24 #32
there are a substantial number of people who question the integrity of both of the major parties. everyonematters Jan 24 #34
Talk to the Republican Supreme Court about that one. Keepthesoulalive Jan 24 #48
This person should not be in leadership at the DNC LetMyPeopleVote Jan 24 #35
Integrity definition... hint...there's more than one... littlemissmartypants Jan 24 #43
GOOD GRIEF He NEVER says the Democratic Party is suffering from a "lack of integrity". The headline Nanjeanne Jan 24 #45
There is nothing wrong with our message Keepthesoulalive Jan 24 #49
It not integrity its lower.... Historic NY Jan 24 #51
Go away Shakir. JohnSJ Jan 24 #52
I feel I'm part of the Democratic Party. LakeArenal Jan 24 #53
Load of crap milestogo Jan 24 #56
This guy is awful. Thank God he has no chance of winning the position Wiz Imp Jan 24 #57
The lack of integrity, such as it is, is because of corporate ties. alarimer Jan 24 #58
Shakir and his populist pals are the ones bashing Democrats as THEM (corrupt, not grassroots beholden to betsuni Jan 25 #60
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