Except, Nicolle Wallace will cover this today.

Either way, there’s a story there.

Or like the things Vance says which are picked up and amplified until even people who arent on much media start hearing them?

some random nobody on reddit says. If there is/was any evidence this actually happened, the media would absolutely report it.

I don't know what happened with their stupid buses (they were late and people were irritated?) and sure as hell didn't watch this rally but I can't understand why it's still being talked about and why anyone cares.

What trump says and what any internet kook says. They quite often coincide, or rather copy eachother, both directions.

And.. Would they? It sure seems like theres not much reporting on negative events at trump rallies unless he makes it a thing.

Somebody on here said it didn't happen too.

I kinda doubt it was made up. Too specific; too much in line with who these people are. Did the magats start because there weren't enough busses and that's what kicked them into riot mode? Maybe. But that's who these people are in their heart of hearts (as tho they had one). Just told my husband THIS is what we can expect WHEN Harris wins.

"With the specifics that can be checked by those with access to hospitals, etc.," is exactly why it is almost certainly made up. If it happened (and as you say we have specifics that can be checked) then it should be really simple to verify. Yet, here we are 3 days later and not a single hint on all of the internet that such a thing occurred except this single post from some random nobody on reddit.

Just because it's in line with preconceived notions of something that the MAGAs would do, is not any kind of evidence that it actually happened. Hey, I totally believe myself that these people are certainly capable of doing such a thing, but common sense tells me if it happened, there would be some evidence of it beyond a single random reddit post.

A lie that can be checked is less likely to be a lie, on my experience. The only exception I've seen is Ts words.

Plus to me these seems like perfectly acceptable normal maga behavior. Unless proven otherwise, im gonna hold out as very possibly true.

You’re right my thoughts exactly. Basically end of story. There is little hope for the maggots, . Losers, all.. Vote Blue all the way

something is not right.

That would be typical

Could be both. Not paying and rabid raging supporters/cult members aren't mutually exclusive. Both have happened before.

Legs.

These are the kind of people that Trump attracts to his cause, after all!

buses to remain after the rally, and then those that remained hauled ass once the mob got violent. There were other reports of the initial buses running out of gas during the back and forth of dropping people off and not being able to find nearby gas stations to refill at.

I find it hard to believe fuel was the issue. Since the distance was from the event to nearby parking.
Looking at the map of the area it doesn't make sense.

The 'crowd went wild' explanation feels more plausible to me. More on brand.

But often times it's more likely multiple things will be at play so one never knows.

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It will be blamed on antifa.

I expect . . . . . . . . . from the dedicated rw media.

They look pretty packed and tight there. I wonder how many I’ve had their flu and Covid shots.

"predators "out there in the desert.

On the other hand,some of the attendees may have gotten their just desserts..as in deserted.

Knowing several Vietnam Veterans like I do, this is very serious and harmful.

I hope this goes out to many of the area bus companies in the US, to accept MAGA events at your own risk, especially for the violence and when there is an increased likelihood you may not get paid.

The youngest of the Vietnam vets drafted into the war are now 71. This guy is 70. He could have skipped a grade, but then he’d not likely have attended a Trump rally in the middle of a desert. This doesn’t smell right.

one year younger than me … I am 67 …

He volunteered at 17 … and is now 66 … he is a Vietnam veteran

So one would be 70 if they graduated in May 1972.

I am 69 nd am a Vietnam Era Vet. I joined the Navy in November 1973, The draft had ended the year before.
I was never in Vietnam as most of the Navy was elsewhere.

From a local paper - the Orange County Register

https://www.ocregister.com/2024/10/14/trump-coachella-rallygoers-stranded-in-dark-miles-from-their-cars-after-speech-reports-say/

Some key excerpts:

Officer David Torres, a California Highway Patrol spokesperson, said via email that “there were no incidents in this area that CHP handled.”

“There became an issue with the drivers being over hours due to the traffic delays that prevented them from driving, leaving (the sheriff’s department) to transport the visitors themselves,” Torres said, noting the California Department of Transportation limits the number of hours bus drivers can be on the road.

So apparently the bus drivers had driven their legal limit of hours before all people were returned to the parking lots. And the Trump campaign did not make arrangements to make sure there were drivers available to shuttle the attendees back. (Note: this is not necessarily inconsistent with that prior tweet)

County officials referred questions about the buses to the Trump campaign, which did not immediately respond Monday, Oct. 14, to a request for comment.

Seems like confirmation that the campaign screwed up and didn't make sure they would have buses available to return attendees to their cars. This was clearly totally on the Trump Campaign.

They knew what this was about, they know it's Trump's fault, but refuses to tell the media, and in fact tried to get around the regulations, on behalf of Trump:

The sheriff is super MAGA.

From June: Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco is throwing his support behind Donald Trump for president, saying in an Instagram video over the weekend, "I think it's time we put a felon in the White House."

From seeing his interview, the sheriff. ❤️

He is just awful.

I spent over 23 years driving school buses, and working also as a driver trainer.

I can remember an out of town field trip, where a large number of our drivers transported athletic and cheerleading teams for a regional event. I order to abide by the hours limitation, we had to shuttle multiple relief drivers who would drive the return trips. These kinds of regulations are for safety, to prevent accidents based on driver fatigue.

I can see that tRump's campaign might be to chintzy to pay for the extra drivers, but I would be surprised that the person at the bus company who took the order for transportation didn't say anything. The hours limitation is a common part of both state and federal law, since the drivers have to possess a valid commercial drivers license in order to transport passengers. The federal government is the entity that sets the standards for and regulates the CDL program.

This smells like tRump's campaign expecting to be allowed to break rules and also not paying for the full amount of service required, and then trying to blame the service provider.

I just can't believe that people actually want tRump and the people around him to hold the office of the most powerful person in the world. I know that they're doing it because he promises to punish everyone that they hate, but it's just mind blowing that they can't see that the incompetence, greed and malice will affect them as well.

It's interesting that the TV station's story talked about the sheriff's office helping transport some people to their cars. Since the TV station obviously talked to the sheriff's office and a bus driver apparently told the station he was assaulted, wouldn't it make sense either for the TV station to ask the sheriff's office about the alleged assault or for the sheriff's office to tell the TV station about it? Shouldn't there be some sort of police report over any assault incident? While it's something, at this point there's still no real evidence that the reddit post was factual. It's curious that the supposed assault is mentioned in passing and there was no attempt to confirm it. If there is truly anything to it, I would expect to see more info very quickly. We'll see.

This incident happened at a rich Trump donor's rural ranch. The CHP ("California Highway Patrol" ) deals with traffic issues on highways, this is not their jurisdiction. Weird that the OC Register would even bring up the CHP.

The ranch is in Riverside County and it was the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department that was there.

The bus driver was interviewed by KTLA (a major independent TV station for the Southern California area where I live), who told KTLA that bus drivers were assaulted, that is why they stopped shuttling passengers:

What did the CHP do there? Was the CHP even there? OC Register suggests not.

Since the CHP was not there, they don't know about happened with the assault on bus drivers, and the Trumper Riverside County Sheriff ain't talking.

But the bus driver is talking, and you for some reason refuse to believe him.

Be so nasty nobody wants to help you and pretty soon you get no help.

In the video, at the below link, the bus driver says people were "pushing, shoving, and throwing things," and "even inundated law enforcement" because the busses were taking so long due to traffic and poor planning (not enough buses). When the Trumpers attacked the bus drivers, those bus drivers left. https://kesq.com/news/local-news/2024/10/15/local-bus-driver-claims-he-was-assaulted-after-the-donald-trump-rally-in-coachella/

Subhead: "Two victims of assault and battery"

SMH

Subhed - Ignoring mainstream news, people turn to social media for confirmation bias.

Trump liked the idea of appearing near to the Coachella concert venue. In his mind, it gives him the rank of superstar.

The venue may have been a former manure farm.

When the Trump Campaign says, “Coachella” rally, what they really mean is Calhoun Ranch (red), a former manure farm.

Link to tweet

The airport is very close. I was told he was afraid to go into town because they hate him there.

It probably was a donated space because we know the crooked, lying, cheapskate, so-called "billionaire" doesn't pay his bills.

The locals are laughing at him because he's going to lose in the state of California. So he need not even come to the state to campaign because he won't get enough votes in California to win no matter how many times he visits.

Everything is a spectacle with him. It's The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight* story over and over. He's surrounded by a cast of kooks and his campaign staff has a combined IQ of -10.

He has to get free publicity somehow. So every venue there's a disruption, an "attempted" assassination, an interloper or someone faints.

It's a manufactured mess designed to call attention to itself because there's nothing else of substance going on with him to talk about.

This would be what we as a nation would have to deal with every day of our lives if he gets elected.

Every damn day he will find some way to INTENTIONALLY fuck something up, cause chaos, or kill someone just to keep his distorted ugly criminal face in the headlines.

The psychopath won't rest until everyone and everything around them is destroyed.

That's the kind of world we're heading for if he is elected. Much worse than being stranded in the desert for an hour or a manure farm overnight.

It's a risk we will kill ourselves or each other just to escape the stress and the relentless day to day to day pandemonium his presidency would create for us. It will drive everyone who pays attention stark raving mad.

'Welcome to the Divided States of Trump Enter at Your Own Risk' will be the signs that you see at every airport and border crossing, scribbled on cardboard in misspelled words, if he wins.

❤️pants

Be surprised. And apparently are.

Turkey and chicken manure is a going concern where I am. It is delivered by the trailer loads. Organic fertilizer is in high demand especially during Spring planting.

❤️

You know, like the staff person at Arlington National Cemetery.

From that subreddit:

The news didn't report this and even riot police showed up because of this behavior with the buses...

It happens everyday.
https://academic.oup.com/bjc/article/57/5/1023/2623886

At first glance, an offender videotaping their crimes seems like a counterintuitive and counterproductive thing to do. After all, when offenders reach for their cameras, they may inadvertently contribute to their own capture and conviction. In all cases discussed in this article, offenders have ended up producing evidence that was later used against them in court. Yet, publicly available Norwegian higher court decisions suggest that, despite the apparent lack of logic, it is becoming increasingly common.

It's the main factor in the way the cult works.

Trump allows them to show their rage and hate.

republicons not content to just call America's veterans "suckers and losers,"
now they are physically attacking them.

No respect, no honor. Support the men and women who protect and defend America, keep them safe from violent maga republicon rage freaks, and from demeaning insults from the G.O.P.'s draft-dodging Felon-in-chief.

The company hadn't been paid

Sorry, no link. I heard it on Stephanie Miller this morning.

Thank God none of them desert rat Antifas showed up to ruin such a pleasant evening!

Hope they catch that guy.

No videos posted showing the riot. No legitimate news source reporting on the riot . Yet this gets over a hundred recs.

Vance's sectional obsession?

Was that unequivocally substantiated?

But we had fun with it. There may have been some here who believed it.

truthiness in the Orangelicals wandering in the wilderness.

...just like they did when someone posted the initial story about how his supporters were stranded at yet another rally -- which turned out to be true. Were there videos showing them stranded then? If so, why were so many around here willing to call bullshit on the claim then?

Oh well. There's a lot of misinformation on social media -- including when people call accurate information """misinformation."""

There are plenty of videos available showing the stranded people in both cases. What people are saying is made up is the idea that there was a riot of Trump supporters beating up bus drivers as the reason for the people being stranded. The misinformation here is the made up story posted by the original reddit poster.

So far in this thread we’ve had the Mayor’s comment, and a link to the OC Register.

Yesterday’s Los Angeles Times (Oct 14, 2024, page A5) references attendees lining up in 100 degree heat with little shade and inadequate ice and water, and “multiple medical emergencies.” Representative Raul Ruiz (D-Indio) said Coachella has seen presidents and candidates before (Bernie Sanders, Obama, Ford and Eisenhower, all under various circumstances) but he found Trump’s decision to campaign there “baffling.” Still, attendees drove in from places like Hemet and got to hear Matt Gaetz speak, and they got to hear Trump trash our state and threaten to cut off federal finds for fighting forest fires that are on federal land.

Nothing about a transportation crisis returning from the rally, altho the reporters likely had their own wheels and went straight back to the office to write it up.

note:
I got interrupted for over an hour, so if this turns out to be out of synch, that’s why.
Part of my point is that we have people here at DU who know how to track down the real story — and I hope they do.

I read on Reddit, r/inthenews (maybe not reputable) that the reason the buses left attendees stranded was because the campaign ignored payment requests.

If true, then trump and his ilks are responsible for the situation, not the bus drivers…I’m betting the drivers and bus company will bring lawsuits.

...whip his crowds up into a violent frenzy however you can. Then he channels the anger against Dems. He will likely blame Dems in some fashion for the fiasco, and the flames rise.

Fascistic, despicable behavior.

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

That can be seen in the videos of this.

It makes a lot more sense than the bullshit this far.

This is what Trump is about. He lights some fires, then stokes that flame. He provides some targets for that hate, and then he sits back and watches while the fires burn.

Pure evil.

About it first, then maybe the media will report it. I've seen that happen quite a few times already.

I know that it has been reported to be a "manure farm." The owners of the property say otherwise. You might ask yourself what a "manure farm" is. I can assure you that no one farms manure. There are business that process manure, yes.

https://dairydoo.com/

Why does this matter? Because it weakens the effort to stop Trump and elect the Harris/Walz ticket when we throw around sensationalistic and false stories. It makes all of us look ridiculous and gives the right wing operatives a credible basis for dismissing any and all criticism of Trump and MAGA.

Trump may or may not be soiling his pants. There may or may not have been some manure on the polo ground where the Trump rally was held. But really, people? That's all we have?

From google:

A manure farm is a farm that manages manure from livestock operations, including capturing, storing, treating, and using it. Manure management can impact farm productivity, the environment, and water quality

Here's a link to a current manure management business/manure farm:

http://www.down2earthfarms.com/manure-managementremoval.html

And nobody said it was a current manure farm. It's a former manure farm. The best I can tell , this location hasn't been a "manure farm" in at least 40 years (hence the word former) but that doesn't mean it wasn't at one time. I can assure you this is not a false story.

So, some manure processing companies call themselves "farms." The word gets throw around a lot and is used for things that have nothing to do with farming.

When I searched for "manure farms" all I got were manure processing companies.

OK so let's say that 40 years ago there was a manure processing facility there. So what? It is a polo ground now and has bee since 1987. That means a lot of unprocessed manure.

Nowhere near Coachella

I know where Santa Rosa is. I know where Vista Santa Rosa is, too.

"Living in Vista Santa Rosa, CA is truly a unique experience. The small town atmosphere provides a sense of community and belonging; the area is surrounded by beautiful natural areas that offer plenty of outdoor activities for people of all ages. From hiking to biking and kayaking, there is something for everyone! The local shops and restaurants provide a great selection of quality goods and services, while the downtown area offers an array of entertainment options. With its close proximity to Los Angeles, there are plenty of opportunities for day trips or weekend getaways. Vista Santa Rosa is a great place to call home, with its many amenities and stunning landscapes. Very large metro area set in the valleys and mountains of California. Primary industries include logistics and manufacturing. - In southern California, 55 miles east of Los Angeles and 85 miles north of San Diego."

https://www.bestplaces.net/city/california/vista_santa_rosa

I hear there are manure farms there.

Come to think of it, "manure farm" would be an appropriate appellation for a lot of the "news sources" that are cited here. After all, they manufacture and distribute BS.

In one of his tweets he said he thought this was done on purpose by Democrats to incite a riot. And now we have some random nobody on reddit saying it did incite a riot. How convenient.

Has it been disproved?

There would have been dozens, if not hundreds, of witnesses but, to date, not one has come forward to corroborate the claim that riot police had been sent in to quell the alleged riot. No videos have surfaced nor have any of the local media reported on it .

Trumpers get away with all sorts of shit.

And getting them angry.

He needs these people to attack the Capitol when he loses.

Why didn't trump have to hire a private bus company?

“The Riverside County Sheriff Department advised CHP the bus drivers were over hours and asked if CHP could approve for them to work over their hours to transport individuals back to the pick-up point,” he said.

The CHP told sheriff’s authorities it couldn’t approve bus drivers “to violate any federal or state laws, pertaining to driving hours,” Torres wrote." - https://www.ocregister.com/2024/10/14/trump-coachella-rallygoers-stranded-in-dark-miles-from-their-cars-after-speech-reports-say/


I though that meant the sheriff was asking for permission from Colorado Highway Patrol to allow municipal bus drivers to work overtime.

The California Law — Vehicle Code 21702
The hour limits for commercial drivers is found in California Vehicle Code section 21702. Section 21702 states that a bus driver may work a maximum of ten consecutive hours in a day. A bus driver may also work only ten hours in a 15-hour period. If the driver has worked ten hours during the day, the driver must take an 8-hour break before continuing to drive.