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Nevilledog

(54,275 posts)
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:10 AM Mar 17

Judd Legum: Memo details Trump plan to sabotage the Social Security Administration

https://popular.info/p/exclusive-memo-details-trump-plan

An internal Social Security Administration (SSA) memo, sent on March 13 and obtained by Popular Information, details proposed changes to the claims process that would debilitate the agency, cause significant processing delays, and prevent many Americans from applying for or receiving benefits.

The memo, authored by Acting Deputy SSA Commissioner Doris Diaz, purports to be motivated by a desire to mitigate "fraud risks."

Elon Musk has pushed several false claims about the nature and scope of Social Security fraud. In a recent interview on Fox Business, Musk suggested that 10% of federal expenditures were related to Social Security fraud. This is false. Social Security fraud does exist, but "improper" Social Security payments amounts to about $9 billion annually — less than 1% of total Social Security benefits paid and 0.1% of the federal budget. Most improper payments are not criminal fraud but the result of beneficiaries or the SSA failing to update records.

The biggest change contemplated by Diaz's memo is to require "internet identity proofing" for "benefit claims… made over the phone." When an SSA customer is "unable to utilize the internet ID proofing, customers will be required to visit a field office to provide in-person identity documentation."

Currently customers can make claims and verify their identity without using the internet or visiting a SSA office. Fraud is extremely rare because there are many safeguards in place. After initiating a call, customers must provide their social security number, date of birth, parents' names, mother's maiden name, and date of birth. After the initial teleapplication is completed, the information provided is checked against tax returns, pay stubs, bank statements, and medical information, depending on the nature of the claim. If there are any discrepancies, a customer may need to mail a copy of their birth certificate to the SSA. About 40% of all claims are currently processed over the phone.

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Judd Legum: Memo details Trump plan to sabotage the Social Security Administration (Original Post) Nevilledog Mar 17 OP
"required to visit a field office". The ones they're SHUTTING DOWN? Pfft. nt CousinIT Mar 17 #1
And try getting an appointment Ritabert Mar 17 #2
The idea is that the person dies before they can get to one, it seems. nt CousinIT Mar 17 #3
47 Social Security Administration (SSA) offices have been closed, are being consolidated, or moved ancianita Mar 17 #4
Ironic that all states that voted for the orange hitler are getting affected! kimbutgar Mar 17 #5
Racially targeted IbogaProject Mar 17 #9
Undoubtedly. Under some pretext of "DEI" E.O., as if state voting laws are subject to executive orders. ancianita Mar 17 #10
Yep Cosmocat Mar 17 #15
In NC the cities are Elizabeth City, Roanoke Rapids, Greenville, and Franklin dsc Mar 17 #13
One thing no one has mentioned... slightlv Mar 17 #14
I got a Real ID in Pennsylvania even though I had no drivers license FakeNoose Mar 17 #21
Men are definitely the preferred sex, especially since it's not expected they'll accommodate women's names. slightlv Mar 17 #26
That's their plan Ritabert Mar 17 #7
How many of those recipient's voted for the convicted felon ? republianmushroom Mar 17 #6
"We didn't think he'd do it to us"MAGA Ritabert Mar 17 #8
I turned 65 in October LittleGirl Mar 17 #11
You don't have to have an appointment to start SS. Ms. Toad Mar 17 #17
Do you know if it's the year you turn 70 flamingdem Mar 17 #20
You will receive maximum benefits if you start taking them in the month you turn 70. Ms. Toad Mar 17 #25
Good for you. What about those who are not tech savy? Gimpyknee Mar 17 #24
It's awful. I've paid into SS since 1976 LittleGirl Mar 17 #27
Today I Have A Need For Data From The Railroad Retirement Board DallasNE Mar 17 #12
Social Security over paying some people is not FRAUD no matter what Eloon says..... Bengus81 Mar 17 #16
I suspect there are a fair number of cases like my spouses - Ms. Toad Mar 17 #18
May his children receive their inheritance soon. mwb970 Mar 17 #19
K&R UTUSN Mar 17 #22
My low informed MAGA sister-in-law never thought Republicans would overturn Row v Wade either. Gimpyknee Mar 17 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author vapor2 Mar 18 #28

ancianita

(40,426 posts)
4. 47 Social Security Administration (SSA) offices have been closed, are being consolidated, or moved
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 12:33 PM
Mar 17

into existing federal space.

DOGE closures affect regions in the Southeast, Midwest, Northeast, and Western US.

The Southeastern US has been the most affected, with nearly half of all closures occurring in Georgia, Alabama, North Carolina, Mississippi, and Arkansas.

IbogaProject

(4,369 posts)
9. Racially targeted
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 12:54 PM
Mar 17

I believe those states have counties with large minority populations. They pull the same with voting.

ancianita

(40,426 posts)
10. Undoubtedly. Under some pretext of "DEI" E.O., as if state voting laws are subject to executive orders.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 12:57 PM
Mar 17

dsc

(52,900 posts)
13. In NC the cities are Elizabeth City, Roanoke Rapids, Greenville, and Franklin
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 02:52 PM
Mar 17

Elizabeth city is plurality AA, Roanoke Rapids is over 1/3 AA, To be fair, Franklin and Greenville are whiter cities but Greenville is a college town.

slightlv

(5,456 posts)
14. One thing no one has mentioned...
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 05:46 PM
Mar 17

is that to gain entry into a Federal Building after May of this year (I think) one MUST have a REAL ID card. Regular driver's license will no longer be accepted as a valid form of citizenship identity. So... if you can't do it over the phone, and you can't get a REAL ID, you're shit out of luck.

I bring this up because I went through my second go-around trying to get a REAL ID card at my DMV. The whole system is slanted against women. I'm about to have to face Texas via phone calls and who knows what else to try to "fix" a white-out problem on my last marriage certificate. This is absolutely ridiculous. But this REAL ID card will become the de facto identifying paper where you identity is concerned. Damn GW Bush for this, and all the submissive women who said "no problem." Besides having to trace every aspect of your lineage where men are concerned with you, you end up paying money you may or may not have. As well as contend with clerks who seem to get their logic from the Twilight Zone.

FakeNoose

(37,269 posts)
21. I got a Real ID in Pennsylvania even though I had no drivers license
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 07:59 PM
Mar 17

This actually happened a couple years ago when my DL was (temporarily) suspended. The mechanism for getting a Real ID wasn't that difficult. It was actually easier than getting a drivers license, since there's no drivers test you have to pass. Luckily for me, I had a copy of my birth certificate, and my IDs are still in my maiden name. If a married woman can show a marriage license that documents her maiden name and married name, it shouldn't be too difficult.

Pro tip for women: If you should be divorced, I recommend changing your married name back to your maiden name to avoid difficulties.

slightlv

(5,456 posts)
26. Men are definitely the preferred sex, especially since it's not expected they'll accommodate women's names.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:15 PM
Mar 17
Pro tip for women: If you should be divorced, I recommend changing your married name back to your maiden name to avoid difficulties.


My advice is keep your own name, period! I not only had to produce the damned marriage certificate, but the same AND the divorce papers from my first marriage. That's what I mean, women have to account for their every legal encounter with men if they do as generations have done and changed their name. If and when something happens to my hubby (whom I love with all my heart), I will never again have anything to do with men. I'm done with that whole species. AFAIC, you can't top sisterhood. I've been back and forth all my life, but I've had it with men in today's world. There's just too much danger and peril for women these days. I'm headed back to my Dianic days.

republianmushroom

(19,761 posts)
6. How many of those recipient's voted for the convicted felon ?
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 12:44 PM
Mar 17

To those that did, live and learn, to those that didn't, going to be a tough row to hoe.

LittleGirl

(8,687 posts)
11. I turned 65 in October
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 01:08 PM
Mar 17

so I had to schedule an appointment to make sure my payments would start as soon as possible. I moved to the Bay Area last year and looked up where the office was and there wasn't one. I had to schedule a phone appointment weeks in advance. Then when I spoke to the agent, he was working from home. They don't have an office in the East Bay. at all. I'm tech savvy so I knew what was needed and have had an account with SS for several years online.

Ms. Toad

(36,820 posts)
17. You don't have to have an appointment to start SS.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 07:31 PM
Mar 17

I got my spouse's started entirely online without any delay in the start of payments. Unless they dismantle the system, I plan on doing the same for mine when I turn 70 in 2 years.

flamingdem

(40,399 posts)
20. Do you know if it's the year you turn 70
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 07:47 PM
Mar 17

Or the month you turn 70 that you can apply or receive benefits?

Are you worried and thinking about getting it sooner? I am.

Ms. Toad

(36,820 posts)
25. You will receive maximum benefits if you start taking them in the month you turn 70.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:49 PM
Mar 17

I don't plan on taking them earlier.

I retired 3 months before my spouse turned 70, so we had income to cover expenses while I was working - and no real reason to start drawing hers earlier. Once I retired, I started receiving a defined benefit plan (roughly 67% of my final average salary). We also each had about $30,000 in annuities that we could draw down in the period between retirement and when I turn 70 - so we spread the withdrawals from those two accounts over the period between my retirement and when I turn 70. And we're both pretty frugal. So money flow isn't an issue - and my parents are still alive at 93, so it is likely that I will live long enough to make waiting for maximum benefit a better option.

Since it is Congress that has to change Medicare, I'm relatively comfortable that it is not going to significantly change. And since I'm 18 months from turning 70, I'm pretty confident that any changes will roll in so that I won't be impacted. (Normally when Congress makes big changes they are rolled in over time so that the impact doesn't hit people who don't have time to plan for it - like when they rolled in the change to normal retirement age.)

LittleGirl

(8,687 posts)
27. It's awful. I've paid into SS since 1976
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:49 PM
Mar 17

I didn’t want to wait to collect and created a profile online 20 some years ago. I did it all online because it’s been available that long. I think that anyone younger than me being offline is something I never considered. Even my late mother had an email account she used on her computer.

DallasNE

(7,775 posts)
12. Today I Have A Need For Data From The Railroad Retirement Board
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 01:57 PM
Mar 17

Which is pretty similar to Social Security. When I called their number the canned message said there was a 1-2 hour wait but by pressing 1 they will call back when it is my turn. I am in the middle of that 1-2 hour wait. My guess is that it will be more than 2 hours.

Bengus81

(8,753 posts)
16. Social Security over paying some people is not FRAUD no matter what Eloon says.....
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 07:11 PM
Mar 17

It's a glitch in the computer,a fuck up or whatever but fraud? No fucking way.

Pretty simple,people need to pay back the overage and that's it.

Ms. Toad

(36,820 posts)
18. I suspect there are a fair number of cases like my spouses -
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 07:40 PM
Mar 17

Complex interaction of multiple retirement accounts - some of which were left with the trustee, some of which were converted to privately managed retirement funds, and a SS questionnaire that doesn't cover all of the scenarios that should (or at least should have) triggered a WEP reduction. And no clear statement of what the payment would have been without WEP, the reduction, and which retirement accounts triggered the WEP (to serve as a check on whether the payment was calculated properly)

As soon as one of the accounts that WAS reported triggered an inquiry and request for more information when it converted from money sitting out there to money being paid, the follow-up communication made it clear they intended to ask about a second retirement account (even though none of their questions actually asked about it). No intent to defraud - which is required for fraud. But an overpayment nonetheless.

Fortunately, the inquiry came within a year. Unfortunately, the adjustment was made in November, the overage has been partially repaid, but thanks to elimination of WEP most of it wasn't actually an overpayment. So now we're stuck in limbo because the new adjustment has to be hand-processed.

Gimpyknee

(103 posts)
23. My low informed MAGA sister-in-law never thought Republicans would overturn Row v Wade either.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:18 PM
Mar 17

Trump is following the Project 2025 playbook to privatize Social Security, something my sister-in-law never took the time to read.

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