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Celerity

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38. The main issue is that he (of all the possible VP picks mentioned so far) is the most likely to cause an intra-party
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 05:08 AM
Jul 2024

shism over the Israel/Palestine war and other protest actions that pre-date October 7th. It makes little sense, IMHO to inject that drama unnecessarily into the mix.



The One Vice Presidential Pick Who Could Ruin Democratic Unity

Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro is a leading candidate to be Kamala Harris’s running mate. Selecting him would fracture the party.

https://newrepublic.com/article/184151/one-vice-president-ruin-democratic-unity-josh-shapiro

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Unfortunately, Shapiro also stands out among the current field of potential running mates as being egregiously bad on Palestine. It’s not just that he, like many Democrats, is an outspoken supporter of Israel—though he certainly is, having championed Israel’s war against Hamas consistently and without any apparent concern for Palestinian civilians. Shapiro has, moreover, done far more than most Democrats to attack pro-Palestine antiwar demonstrators, in ways that call into question his basic commitment to First Amendment rights. In his previous role as Pennsylvania attorney general, Shapiro championed the state’s constitutionally dubious anti-BDS (boycott, divestment, sanctions) law against Ben & Jerry’s after the ice cream maker refused to license its product for sale in Israeli settlements. “BDS is rooted in antisemitism,” Shapiro wrote in a statement in 2021, as he condemned a company named for its two Jewish American founders. “The stated goal of this amorphous movement is the removal of Jewish citizens from the region and I strongly oppose their efforts.”

As governor, Shapiro’s particular animus against pro-Palestine activism has only grown more apparent and troubling. Last December, he played an active role in the GOP-orchestrated sacking of University of Pennsylvania President Liz Magill. During a visit to Goldie, the popular Philadelphia restaurant co-owned by the Israeli-born celebrity chef Michael Solomonov, Shapiro condemned Magill’s testimony on alleged antisemitism on the Ivy League campus before Representative Elise Stefanik, the MAGA right’s grand inquisitor. “That was an unacceptable statement from the president of Penn,” Shapiro said, referring to Magill’s unwillingness to accept Stefanik’s slippery framing on what constitutes antisemitism. “Frankly, I thought her comments were absolutely shameful. It should not be hard to condemn genocide.” Magill resigned four days after her testimony and three days after Shapiro’s statement, legitimizing the GOP’s wider assault on academic freedom, which would be repeated successfully against Harvard President Claudine Gay weeks later.

In April, Shapiro’s office baselessly claimed that a peaceful pro-Palestine encampment on the Penn campus threatened student safety. “If the universities in accordance with their policies can’t guarantee the safety and security and well-being of the students, then I think it is incumbent upon a local mayor or local governor or local town councilor, whoever is the local leadership there, to step in and enforce the law,” Shapiro told Politico at the time. In May, he urged Penn to shut down the encampment completely. “The University of Pennsylvania has an obligation to their safety,” he said, once again alluding to nonexistent threats to the physical well-being of Jewish students. “It is past time for the university to act, to address this, to disband the encampment, and to restore order and safety on campus.” The university complied; one day and 33 arrests later, Shapiro’s office said Penn “made the right decision.”

That same week, The New York Times profiled Shapiro as one to watch in his party with the headline “A Rising Democrat Leans Into the Campus Fight Over Antisemitism.” In that piece, Shapiro made clear the low regard in which he holds pro-Palestine campus activists. “If you had a group of white supremacists camped out and yelling racial slurs every day, that would be met with a different response than antisemites camped out, yelling antisemitic tropes,” he told the Times. (This echoed a statement made in an earlier interview in which he compared campus protesters to the Ku Klux Klan.) Then, in an executive order, Shapiro updated his administration’s code of conduct to forbid state employees from engaging in “scandalous or disgraceful” behavior, a vaguely worded instruction that civil libertarians immediately interpreted as threatening pro-Palestine speech.

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Sounded like that to me n/t MiniMe Jul 2024 #1
Eddie should just STFU. He torpedoed Hillary oasis Jul 2024 #5
I've had a Prof Eddie bug in my ass since Hillary that I can't get rid of. IA8IT Jul 2024 #79
I've mellowed on Eddie these past few years oasis Jul 2024 #82
I missed it AmBlue Jul 2024 #2
Eddie was droning on about "do no harm". oasis Jul 2024 #7
wTF does he Cha Jul 2024 #15
The "learned" Prof. is back on my shit list. oasis Jul 2024 #17
"It's insane how they all kept a straight face as Eddie Glaude discussed how we got here without disclosing .. " Cha Jul 2024 #22
How better off we all would be without oasis Jul 2024 #23
YOu're Welcome, oasis.. TY for the Thread.. Cha Jul 2024 #24
I don't disagree with that. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #36
Kaine was absolutely a do no harm pick Cosmocat Jul 2024 #56
I don't disagree. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #63
Yep Cosmocat Jul 2024 #88
Awful pic in my opinion onandup Jul 2024 #75
It was a mistake. He brought nothing and deflated many. Nanjeanne Jul 2024 #46
Glaude wasn't voting for Hillary no matter oasis Jul 2024 #47
I was talking about Kaine. Not Glaude. You don't like Glaude and that's fine. Nothing to do with my point. Nanjeanne Jul 2024 #49
Kaine is H2O Man Jul 2024 #76
How was it a mistake? karynnj Jul 2024 #89
Glaude likely preferred an ultra liberal VP. oasis Jul 2024 #91
Isn't Shapiro in favor of school vouchers? Patterson Jul 2024 #3
Dunno for sure. What I do know is,Glaude oasis Jul 2024 #18
No. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #35
...and yet it's all over the internet that Shapiro backs vouchers. FalloutShelter Jul 2024 #54
The main issue is that he (of all the possible VP picks mentioned so far) is the most likely to cause an intra-party Celerity Jul 2024 #38
Disqualifying to me Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #42
Yes he is! Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #65
If I remember correctly Eddie Glaude refused to vote for Hillary in the general election, so I wouldn't JohnSJ Jul 2024 #4
anyone who didn't vote for Hillary essentially voted for Trump Skittles Jul 2024 #11
Glaude is proud of working to defeat Clinton LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #30
And never even apologized OnDoutside Jul 2024 #33
Yes, you remember correctly SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #62
He clearly said that is not what he is saying. David Hogg said it. He was making the argument that she should pick s tulipsandroses Jul 2024 #6
Thank you ... rog Jul 2024 #9
Prof. Glaude can give his opinion on Trump oasis Jul 2024 #10
Glaude also said Hillary's VP pick of Caine oasis Jul 2024 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jul 2024 #20
why would Shapiro "dampen the youth enthusiam"? Skittles Jul 2024 #21
Because he doesn't support Hamas. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #37
Neither do most who are against the Netanyahu genocide RedArkGuy Jul 2024 #41
thank you Skittles Jul 2024 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Duncan Grant Jul 2024 #74
yeah OK Skittles Jul 2024 #83
Are you intentionally framing everyone against the level of destruction of Gaza as supporting Hamas karynnj Jul 2024 #90
I agree with him Arthur_Frain Jul 2024 #8
And that's okay. You're not on national tv. oasis Jul 2024 #12
Guess I really don't even know who Glaude is. Arthur_Frain Jul 2024 #13
Perhaps your disdain for Professor Glaude is clouding your analysis tulipsandroses Jul 2024 #14
So what Hogg said it first? Glaude's "repeat" oasis Jul 2024 #19
Yeah, Eddie Gaude Jr Sure spoke his mind in 2016 Cha Jul 2024 #25
Hogg and Glaude are not the first and far from the only ones who have concerns over a possible intra-party rift Celerity Jul 2024 #40
Eddie... mamajudi Jul 2024 #26
Yes elleng Jul 2024 #27
What in the fuck is wrong with Josh Shapiro? Mr. Scorpio Jul 2024 #28
I believe the two issues some have are SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #34
Except he vetoed the school voucher legislation. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #58
Funny SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #59
Actions are where it's at for me. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #60
But it may not be for others SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #61
Well clearly. There are people voting for a rapist who murdered a million people by lying, onecaliberal Jul 2024 #64
They may not be voting for Trump SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #66
There isn't a unicorn. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #67
Never said there was SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #68
I trust them to do the right thing. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #70
Me too SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #71
The issue is not done. That veto was in mid 2023, he supported them again after that, this year (and may well next year) Celerity Jul 2024 #72
"Vetoed the school voucher." Thank you. oasis Jul 2024 #69
That poster is leaving a lot out (including Shapiro's post-2023-veto support of them again earlier in 2024), see post 72 Celerity Jul 2024 #73
To be clear, I'm not necessarily pro Shapiro. oasis Jul 2024 #77
I understood that (saw another post of yours). I was only adding additional information to show that it Celerity Jul 2024 #78
see post 38 (& Glaude is far from the only person talking about this, I've seen it mentioned dozens of times by others) Celerity Jul 2024 #39
There's also the internal office coverup of some sexual harassment issues Blue_Adept Jul 2024 #55
I cannot stand Eddie Glaude and went back to the Olympics opening when I saw that he was on MSNBC LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #29
💯 OnDoutside Jul 2024 #32
Eddie Glaude is still a thing ? OnDoutside Jul 2024 #31
All the Bush administration alums at msnbc love him. comradebillyboy Jul 2024 #80
Don't they just ! He was a gold medal player in 2016. OnDoutside Jul 2024 #86
Shapiro supports Project 2025 tenet. Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #43
Shapiro wouldn't have gotten this far in the oasis Jul 2024 #45
He has publicly stated his support Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #48
Harris and her team will choose. I'm gonna oasis Jul 2024 #52
Just say no. Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #50
why are so many of these Gaza advocates so disruptive to the party? bigtree Jul 2024 #44
He's a highly educated, ego driven, knucklehead. oasis Jul 2024 #51
Yeah, he's only at about 57% favorable in PA. kentuck Jul 2024 #53
I'm not big on Shapiro, I just don't like the oasis Jul 2024 #57
Luckily Sugarcoated Jul 2024 #81
Who is Eddie Glaude and why should I care what he thinks? Autumn Jul 2024 #85
Prof. of African American studies Princeton oasis Jul 2024 #87
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