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In reply to the discussion: Did I hear Eddie Glaude correctly? [View all]Celerity
(53,600 posts)72. The issue is not done. That veto was in mid 2023, he supported them again after that, this year (and may well next year)
but came to a compromise for the sake of unity in an election year.

Despite Jay-Z and Josh Shapiros support, Pa. didnt approve school vouchers this year. Heres why.
Instead, legislative leaders reached a budget deal that includes expanding existing tax credit programs to help families send their children to private schools.
Published July 22, 2024
https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania/school-voucher-pa-budget-josh-shapiro-20240722.html
https://archive.ph/TEVaZ
Pennsylvania lawmakers and advocates were prepared for a tough budget fight over school vouchers this year. But it fizzled out. Despite support for vouchers from Democratic Gov. Josh Shapiro, GOP leaders, and even Jay-Z, a proposed $100 million voucher program was not a major sticking point in budget negotiations. Instead, legislative leaders reached a budget deal that includes expanding existing tax credit programs to help families send their children to private schools. But the contentious debate over a voucher program to send students in low-performing schools to private school could return next year. Heres a look at some of the reasons why vouchers didnt get approved, and what could come next.
Shapiro and Democrats wanted to avoid a messy interparty spat during an election year
We got a preview into Shapiros unlikeliness to take up the voucher issue last year following the state Democratic Partys winter meeting, where national DNC leaders requested they set the issue aside during a critical election year. Unlike Shapiro, who has sought to make school choice an area where he can reach across the aisle, many Democrats oppose vouchers. Teachers unions, which contribute to Democratic campaigns, lobby strongly against vouchers and argue that they take money away from struggling public schools. But the issue can be more complicated for officials in Philadelphia, where some lawmakers support school choice, in part because staggering achievement gaps exist between public school students in the city vs. surrounding counties. In addition, unity within the Democratic Party is more important than ever, as the party views Pennsylvania as a must-win battleground state in the presidential election.
Shapiro still called for a voucher program to be part of the states new budget as part of his budget address in February. And House Democrats and Shapiro had been willing to compromise and create a new tax credit program, which was rejected by the Senate GOP leaders during budget talks. Senate Majority Leader Joe Pittman (R., Indiana) said the tax credit pitch would have made it too hard for private schools to participate. And Shapiro was unwilling to use his political capital or bully pulpit to get the issue into a final budget deal, Pittman said. Unlike last year, we saw no evidence that the governor was full-throatedly behind actually making it happen, Pittman added. And the political calculation was clear to Pittman, too: It would be very difficult to have an intense campaign occur in 2024 and have the leader of the Democratic Party sign a voucher bill and explain that to the base of the Democratic Party, he added. Shapiros office declined to comment.
Progressive groups and labor mobilized in advance of budget season
Progressive groups and labor unions were caught by surprise last year, when a school voucher program appeared in a final budget deal between Shapiro and the Senate GOP. They didnt let that happen again. Those groups coordinated their anti-voucher efforts. Once rumors circulated that vouchers were a likely possibility in the final budget deal, Rachel Weisberg, a political strategist for the Working Families Party, said she mobilized them to come together with one voice to block it. Imagine its Election Day in a month, and right now, youre losing, Weisberg recalled someone telling her in May, before budget talks began in earnest. What do you have to do to win? The Working Families Party, the Philadelphia Federation of Teachers, and more than a dozen other groups worked on email campaigns and lobbied at the state Capitol. Another union, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local 32BJ, knocked on doors around Philadelphia. With support from Councilmember Kendra Brooks, the group got Philadelphia City Council to approve a resolution denouncing vouchers. We cant divert any of our hard-earned public tax dollars to private programs, House Speaker Joanna McClinton (D., Philadelphia) said on the Capitol steps at a June anti-voucher rally.
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Despite Jay-Z and Josh Shapiros support, Pa. didnt approve school vouchers this year. Heres why.
Instead, legislative leaders reached a budget deal that includes expanding existing tax credit programs to help families send their children to private schools.
Published July 22, 2024
https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania/school-voucher-pa-budget-josh-shapiro-20240722.html
https://archive.ph/TEVaZ
Pennsylvania lawmakers and advocates were prepared for a tough budget fight over school vouchers this year. But it fizzled out. Despite support for vouchers from Democratic Gov. Josh Shapiro, GOP leaders, and even Jay-Z, a proposed $100 million voucher program was not a major sticking point in budget negotiations. Instead, legislative leaders reached a budget deal that includes expanding existing tax credit programs to help families send their children to private schools. But the contentious debate over a voucher program to send students in low-performing schools to private school could return next year. Heres a look at some of the reasons why vouchers didnt get approved, and what could come next.
Shapiro and Democrats wanted to avoid a messy interparty spat during an election year
We got a preview into Shapiros unlikeliness to take up the voucher issue last year following the state Democratic Partys winter meeting, where national DNC leaders requested they set the issue aside during a critical election year. Unlike Shapiro, who has sought to make school choice an area where he can reach across the aisle, many Democrats oppose vouchers. Teachers unions, which contribute to Democratic campaigns, lobby strongly against vouchers and argue that they take money away from struggling public schools. But the issue can be more complicated for officials in Philadelphia, where some lawmakers support school choice, in part because staggering achievement gaps exist between public school students in the city vs. surrounding counties. In addition, unity within the Democratic Party is more important than ever, as the party views Pennsylvania as a must-win battleground state in the presidential election.
Shapiro still called for a voucher program to be part of the states new budget as part of his budget address in February. And House Democrats and Shapiro had been willing to compromise and create a new tax credit program, which was rejected by the Senate GOP leaders during budget talks. Senate Majority Leader Joe Pittman (R., Indiana) said the tax credit pitch would have made it too hard for private schools to participate. And Shapiro was unwilling to use his political capital or bully pulpit to get the issue into a final budget deal, Pittman said. Unlike last year, we saw no evidence that the governor was full-throatedly behind actually making it happen, Pittman added. And the political calculation was clear to Pittman, too: It would be very difficult to have an intense campaign occur in 2024 and have the leader of the Democratic Party sign a voucher bill and explain that to the base of the Democratic Party, he added. Shapiros office declined to comment.
Progressive groups and labor mobilized in advance of budget season
Progressive groups and labor unions were caught by surprise last year, when a school voucher program appeared in a final budget deal between Shapiro and the Senate GOP. They didnt let that happen again. Those groups coordinated their anti-voucher efforts. Once rumors circulated that vouchers were a likely possibility in the final budget deal, Rachel Weisberg, a political strategist for the Working Families Party, said she mobilized them to come together with one voice to block it. Imagine its Election Day in a month, and right now, youre losing, Weisberg recalled someone telling her in May, before budget talks began in earnest. What do you have to do to win? The Working Families Party, the Philadelphia Federation of Teachers, and more than a dozen other groups worked on email campaigns and lobbied at the state Capitol. Another union, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local 32BJ, knocked on doors around Philadelphia. With support from Councilmember Kendra Brooks, the group got Philadelphia City Council to approve a resolution denouncing vouchers. We cant divert any of our hard-earned public tax dollars to private programs, House Speaker Joanna McClinton (D., Philadelphia) said on the Capitol steps at a June anti-voucher rally.
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Cha
Jul 2024
#22
I was talking about Kaine. Not Glaude. You don't like Glaude and that's fine. Nothing to do with my point.
Nanjeanne
Jul 2024
#49
The main issue is that he (of all the possible VP picks mentioned so far) is the most likely to cause an intra-party
Celerity
Jul 2024
#38
If I remember correctly Eddie Glaude refused to vote for Hillary in the general election, so I wouldn't
JohnSJ
Jul 2024
#4
He clearly said that is not what he is saying. David Hogg said it. He was making the argument that she should pick s
tulipsandroses
Jul 2024
#6
Are you intentionally framing everyone against the level of destruction of Gaza as supporting Hamas
karynnj
Jul 2024
#90
Hogg and Glaude are not the first and far from the only ones who have concerns over a possible intra-party rift
Celerity
Jul 2024
#40
Well clearly. There are people voting for a rapist who murdered a million people by lying,
onecaliberal
Jul 2024
#64
The issue is not done. That veto was in mid 2023, he supported them again after that, this year (and may well next year)
Celerity
Jul 2024
#72
That poster is leaving a lot out (including Shapiro's post-2023-veto support of them again earlier in 2024), see post 72
Celerity
Jul 2024
#73
I understood that (saw another post of yours). I was only adding additional information to show that it
Celerity
Jul 2024
#78
see post 38 (& Glaude is far from the only person talking about this, I've seen it mentioned dozens of times by others)
Celerity
Jul 2024
#39
I cannot stand Eddie Glaude and went back to the Olympics opening when I saw that he was on MSNBC
LetMyPeopleVote
Jul 2024
#29