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In reply to the discussion: My fucking frustration today with the debate. [View all]pat_k
(11,191 posts)5. Yep. His "gish gallop" debate technique requires no preparation.
And any journalist worth their salt should be reporting that.
There is NO doubt that he is a "gish galloper" so why isn't it topic number one in speculation about how the debate may go? Do the nation a service and actually discuss something meaningful for a change.
The Atlantic
How to Beat Trump in a Debate
Unprepared and weak-willed opponents continue to play right into his hands.
By Mehdi Hasan
February 16, 2023
Donald Trump is probably unaware that he’s an avid practitioner of a debating method known among philosophers and rhetoricians as the Gish Gallop. Its aim is simple: to defeat one’s opponent by burying them in a torrent of incorrect, irrelevant, or idiotic arguments. Trump owes much of his political success to this tactic—and to the fact that so few people know how to beat it. Although his 2024 campaign has been fairly quiet so far, we can expect to hear a lot more Gish Galloping in the coming months.
Let’s take as an example the first televised presidential debate of the 2020 election campaign. The Fox News host Chris Wallace invited Trump to deliver a two-minute statement. And he was off:
snip
Trump’s statement was the oratorical equivalent of the media-management approach famously summed up by Trump’s former strategist Steve Bannon—“flood the zone with shit.”
As one pithy tweet—now known as “Brandolini’s law”—put it, “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.” The Gish Galloper’s entire strategy rests on exploiting this advantage. By the time you’ve begun preparing your rebuttal of the Galloper’s first lie, they’ve rattled off another dozen. They want to trick the audience into believing that the facts and the evidence are on their side. (They have so many examples!) The technique is based on delivery over depth. Some call it “proof by verbosity.”
. . .
How to Beat Trump in a Debate
Unprepared and weak-willed opponents continue to play right into his hands.
By Mehdi Hasan
February 16, 2023
Donald Trump is probably unaware that he’s an avid practitioner of a debating method known among philosophers and rhetoricians as the Gish Gallop. Its aim is simple: to defeat one’s opponent by burying them in a torrent of incorrect, irrelevant, or idiotic arguments. Trump owes much of his political success to this tactic—and to the fact that so few people know how to beat it. Although his 2024 campaign has been fairly quiet so far, we can expect to hear a lot more Gish Galloping in the coming months.
Let’s take as an example the first televised presidential debate of the 2020 election campaign. The Fox News host Chris Wallace invited Trump to deliver a two-minute statement. And he was off:
snip
Trump’s statement was the oratorical equivalent of the media-management approach famously summed up by Trump’s former strategist Steve Bannon—“flood the zone with shit.”
As one pithy tweet—now known as “Brandolini’s law”—put it, “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.” The Gish Galloper’s entire strategy rests on exploiting this advantage. By the time you’ve begun preparing your rebuttal of the Galloper’s first lie, they’ve rattled off another dozen. They want to trick the audience into believing that the facts and the evidence are on their side. (They have so many examples!) The technique is based on delivery over depth. Some call it “proof by verbosity.”
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The article goes on to provide ways to deal with a gish galloper. I'm sure she'll be prepared for it. I'll be watching for the techniques.
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And Trump is not an unknown quantity anymore. Unfortunately, so many people seem to have developed selective amnesia.
Walleye
Sep 2024
#14
He will get a pass on 300 lies, she won't get a pass on just one error. What? She's wearing a blue outfit???
TheBlackAdder
Sep 2024
#6
Yep...No, the average cost now for insulin instead of $1000 under trump is $35
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2024
#34
You're right, I expected this too from tRUMP, that he wouldn't spend a sec getting prep'ed for the debate, after all,
SWBTATTReg
Sep 2024
#16
Good point, I hope that she nails the 2025 project on him too. Audience, I don't know if there will be one.
SWBTATTReg
Sep 2024
#50
The fix is in from the msm. Prepare for them to claim he won the debate because he didn't
mucifer
Sep 2024
#18
I totally agree. The moron can say anything but if she isn't perfect OMG. I'm hoping for the best outcome 🤞💙
TommieMommy
Sep 2024
#27
He simply makes it up as he goes along. I'm hoping Kamala will have brief
allegorical oracle
Sep 2024
#45
I hope that progressive media will be able to cover the debate accurately. n/t
totodeinhere
Sep 2024
#64