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In reply to the discussion: My fucking frustration today with the debate. [View all]pat_k
(10,883 posts)26. I love the example of #1 in the article
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She Galloped on in this vein for several more minutes, piling one example of evil Muslims upon the next, and not stopping to expand or elaborate.
There was no way I could address all of the supposed examples she cited to justify fear of Islam; she listed 33 items in less than two minutesabout one every four seconds.
This was no nuanced discussion about the problems of Islamist extremism. No, this was a screed that sought to taint all of Islam, and all Muslimspresumably myself includedas aiders and abetters of terrorism. Any effort I might make to draw distinctions and unpick some complex realities from this fabric of bigotry would be doomed. It would have taken several minutes, if not my entire allotted time. It also would have put me on the defensive, when the key to winning any argument is to put your opponent on the back foot. So, instead, I chose to zero in on the most ludicrous assertion: that Saudi Arabia was the birthplace of Islam.
Just on a factual point, I responded, you said that Islam was born in Saudi Arabia. Islam was born in 610 A.D. Saudi Arabia was born in 1932 A.D. So you were only 1,322 years off! Not bad.
By mocking and debunking that particular claim, I poured doubt on the rest of themand made my opponent look foolish in the process.
She Galloped on in this vein for several more minutes, piling one example of evil Muslims upon the next, and not stopping to expand or elaborate.
There was no way I could address all of the supposed examples she cited to justify fear of Islam; she listed 33 items in less than two minutesabout one every four seconds.
This was no nuanced discussion about the problems of Islamist extremism. No, this was a screed that sought to taint all of Islam, and all Muslimspresumably myself includedas aiders and abetters of terrorism. Any effort I might make to draw distinctions and unpick some complex realities from this fabric of bigotry would be doomed. It would have taken several minutes, if not my entire allotted time. It also would have put me on the defensive, when the key to winning any argument is to put your opponent on the back foot. So, instead, I chose to zero in on the most ludicrous assertion: that Saudi Arabia was the birthplace of Islam.
Just on a factual point, I responded, you said that Islam was born in Saudi Arabia. Islam was born in 610 A.D. Saudi Arabia was born in 1932 A.D. So you were only 1,322 years off! Not bad.
By mocking and debunking that particular claim, I poured doubt on the rest of themand made my opponent look foolish in the process.
And, of course, if we had more journalists doing journalism, "Calling Out" would be far simpler because we would already have plenty of discussion of trump's crazy "gish galloping" and how it is essentially impossible to actually refute when your debate opponent is solely focused on flooding the zone with shit," as Bannon advises.
No paywall link:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/donald-trump-debate-strategy-gish-gallop/673061/?gift=CiksPDoBurvFhUHnw_O61nOv2FePkuP8hFxKtW8dwfI&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
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And Trump is not an unknown quantity anymore. Unfortunately, so many people seem to have developed selective amnesia.
Walleye
Sep 2024
#14
He will get a pass on 300 lies, she won't get a pass on just one error. What? She's wearing a blue outfit???
TheBlackAdder
Sep 2024
#6
Yep...No, the average cost now for insulin instead of $1000 under trump is $35
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2024
#34
You're right, I expected this too from tRUMP, that he wouldn't spend a sec getting prep'ed for the debate, after all,
SWBTATTReg
Sep 2024
#16
Good point, I hope that she nails the 2025 project on him too. Audience, I don't know if there will be one.
SWBTATTReg
Sep 2024
#50
The fix is in from the msm. Prepare for them to claim he won the debate because he didn't
mucifer
Sep 2024
#18
I totally agree. The moron can say anything but if she isn't perfect OMG. I'm hoping for the best outcome 🤞💙
TommieMommy
Sep 2024
#27
He simply makes it up as he goes along. I'm hoping Kamala will have brief
allegorical oracle
Sep 2024
#45
I hope that progressive media will be able to cover the debate accurately. n/t
totodeinhere
Sep 2024
#64