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Bleacher Creature

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70. Two things can be true at the same time.

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:48 PM

Oct 5

This is the biggest threat to American Democracy in any of our lifetimes, and I welcome anyone willing to put aside previous disagreements to defeat that threat. Liz and Dick Cheney deserve a ton of credit for being willing to do something while so many others in their party have cowardly refused to act.

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I continue to stand by every single previous disagreement I had with the Cheneys.

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From Esquire, by Charles P. Pierce. I've Had Enough Of Democrats Rehabbing Dick and Liz Cheney [View all] Hotler Oct 5 OP

Preach it.... They are s root cause of the current fidease JT45242 Oct 5 #1

Oh please. What the hell is this? It's time to be Machiavellian now, use our heads. brush Oct 5 #67

Precisely. Like we can B.See Oct 5 #104

You are absolutely correct Blue Full Moon Oct 5 #89

I agree totally. Raven123 Oct 5 #2

Cheney is positioning herself to lead the Republican party wnylib Oct 5 #16

not a chance, she has NO support. WarGamer Oct 5 #25

She was defeated in Wyoming because of Trump's control wnylib Oct 5 #38

*Wyoming. WarGamer Oct 5 #39

Oops. Thanks. I corrected it. wnylib Oct 5 #62

I've explained it numerous times. WarGamer Oct 5 #40

Vance, maybe. Gabbard and DeSantis, no. wnylib Oct 5 #60

you are absolutely right. JohnSJ Oct 5 #88

Well, markodochartaigh Oct 5 #58

I have but one recommend to give and I give it with a resounding Fuck, Yeah! Solly Mack Oct 5 #3

As I have commented many times before on this point, Ocelot II Oct 5 #4

THIS SunSeeker Oct 5 #45

While I agree the proverbial gate should be cocked and ready to you know what. n/t Cheezoholic Oct 5 #49

K&R for Charlie Pierce and perspective! mountain grammy Oct 5 #5

Go fuck yourself Charles Pierce. This isn't about rehabilitation of anyone, JohnSJ Oct 5 #6

Agree, the dems are trying their best to get republicans to stand up and do the right thing Bev54 Oct 5 #27

THIS orangecrush Oct 5 #33

Thank you! This is all out war. We would not have won WWII if not for a pact we made with the Stalin devil! PortTack Oct 5 #34

Charles Pierce is as important a voice of displacedvermoter Oct 5 #69

I got it. We are 30 days from the general election and now is the perfect time to diss the republicans that are JohnSJ Oct 5 #85

You are so right. It's not that hard to understand. Winning is the thing. brush Oct 5 #105

I love Charlie Pierce but he is wrong here Blaukraut Oct 5 #114

Exactly. We're not fucking stupid FrankBooth Oct 6 #142

We are tryng to win an election JI7 Oct 5 #7

Exactly. What is he suggesting that VP Harris refuse his endorsement? JohnSJ Oct 5 #11

but we don't have to sell our soul to do it. tman Oct 5 #15

What does that even mean ? Why do people act like politics and elections are some personal religion ? JI7 Oct 5 #21

Sell one's soul Cirsium Oct 5 #31

This fucked up mentality is what gave us Bush and Cheney in the first place JI7 Oct 5 #44

He is pointing out that the Cheneys don't have much displacedvermoter Oct 5 #74

Who thinks it's anything more than that ? The endorsement itself JI7 Oct 5 #77

The author of the Esquire piece does Cirsium Oct 5 #81

Thise demanding purity aren't Democrats. They are the trash that helped Bush Cheney win JI7 Oct 5 #92

That is a problem Cirsium Oct 5 #108

The lying trash that helped Bush and Cheney win becsuse Gore wasn't Pure enough stent Democrats JI7 Oct 5 #109

Beg your pardon? Cirsium Oct 5 #112

My anger is towards those who have a problem with Kamala Harris tryng to win an election JI7 Oct 5 #113

Tulsi Gabbard? Cirsium Oct 5 #125

Right Cirsium Oct 5 #79

You're welcome displacedvermoter Oct 5 #80

Harris? Cirsium Oct 5 #76

Yep. This 'selling your soul' talk is straight-up electoral idiocy FrankBooth Oct 6 #143

Kamala isnt hating on Cheney, so i wont either. nt LexVegas Oct 5 #8

people can change--if 10% or even 5% of the rethuglicans follow Cheney's lead, we win easily. cadoman Oct 6 #130

A great column to write in MID-NOVEMBER Prairie Gates Oct 5 #9

Save it until after the election. We have a common enemy to defeat. We can sort our differences after. Midnight Writer Oct 5 #10

If Liz Cheney can influence Mz Pip Oct 5 #12

President Biden on Liz Cheney and her father: highplainsdem Oct 5 #13

How to lose an election. Let Pierce be your campaign manager. JohnSJ Oct 5 #14

Good for you, I can live with that. n/t elocs Oct 5 #17

Yup. Here's 2019 Liz praising Trump and accusing Democrats of murdering babies JHB Oct 5 #18

This isn't about supporting Liz Cheney for President JI7 Oct 5 #23

Pierce is a useful idiot, obviously......nt DoBW Oct 5 #32

Nicole is still a republican/republicon in her heart WhiteTara Oct 5 #19

If they can bring extra votes kacekwl Oct 5 #20

Who is suggesting we forget who they are? ShazzieB Oct 5 #65

Never angrychair Oct 5 #107

Or his honesty displacedvermoter Oct 5 #111

I respect your position, but I don't think we're on exactly the same page. ShazzieB Oct 5 #124

Strange times, strange bedfellows peggysue2 Oct 5 #22

Best read of the day, thanks! WarGamer Oct 5 #24

Let me understand this. So because the Democrats are trying to get republicans to vote for Harris/Walz you think that JohnSJ Oct 5 #86

I agree... but can we flush them all the day after the election? WarGamer Oct 5 #100

Of course. As bad as this may sound winning is paramount. because the stakes are so high. JohnSJ Oct 5 #106

It's called using people. Like joining a political party to run for office and the day after losing betsuni Oct 5 #26

What a great help to Trump! Frances Oct 5 #28

exaqctly, Pierce is a useful idiot .....nt DoBW Oct 5 #30

I can't stand Dick Cheney Jilly_in_VA Oct 5 #29

Lol. We have 30 days. No time for this ecstatic Oct 5 #35

The enemy of my enemy evolves Oct 5 #36

The most salient point here being... Hugin Oct 5 #37

Politics makes strange bedfellows Charles. Klarkashton Oct 5 #41

All true. mn9driver Oct 5 #42

I'm not "rehabbing" Liz Cheney. I'm just glad she gave credibility to the Jan 6th inquiry, and has been an endless Martin68 Oct 5 #43

Liz was very much part of the effort that created Donald Trump Skittles Oct 5 #54

Revenge for what? Martin68 Oct 5 #71

for the way they treated her Skittles Oct 5 #78

I'm guessing you haven't read her book. ShazzieB Oct 5 #73

I haven't read Cheney's book, but it was her defense of the Constitution that gained her my respect. Martin68 Oct 6 #140

If her Daddy or another Puke was subverting Democracy she would be fine with it. Autumn Oct 6 #138

of course she would Skittles Oct 6 #144

Oh boo hoo Chuck. Get over yourself. BannonsLiver Oct 5 #46

K n R. My feelings exactly. n/t JoeOtterbein Oct 5 #47

our entire country, democracy itself is at stake Takket Oct 5 #48

Yes Dick lied us into an unneeded war and became a billionaire from it, helped w to cheat his Botany Oct 5 #50

I hear you. It's an "Enemy of my enemy" thing. We do owe her a debt for standing against Trump. Joinfortmill Oct 5 #51

That is exactly what it is, nothing more. JohnSJ Oct 5 #87

We'll call it even because I'm sure she supported and enabled Trump's dumbass in the first place. In It to Win It Oct 6 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Oct 5 #52

"A laurel, and hardy handshake" JoseBalow Oct 5 #53

hey i will wear someones old cast off smelly sweaty shoes if thats the only way samnsara Oct 5 #55

I don't agree at all with Charles Pierce... orwell Oct 5 #56

Well stated. ShazzieB Oct 5 #75

It's "Liz", not Lynn, but Karma13612 Oct 5 #93

Sorry... orwell Oct 5 #103

There'll be plenty of time to hate them after the election Seasider Oct 5 #57

There's plenty of time now. Iggo Oct 5 #72

I don't give a crap who you hate or how much Seasider Oct 5 #96

THANK YOU Skittles Oct 5 #59

Fuckin' A. Iggo Oct 5 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author brush Oct 5 #63

Peirce says he knows we now need all hands on deck . . . people Oct 5 #64

OMG Pierce complainers. What you're saying he should say is literally what he said. pspro Oct 5 #66

Charles P. Pierce can sit on his high horse all by himself. madaboutharry Oct 5 #68

It's just that Dick Cheney is, always has been, a displacedvermoter Oct 5 #91

People evolve. madaboutharry Oct 5 #98

Two things can be true at the same time. Bleacher Creature Oct 5 #70

Good post! Kaleva Oct 5 #99

RSO rso Oct 5 #82

RSO rso Oct 5 #83

Thank you for your support Liz and Dick, now go back to your neo-con cave. jalan48 Oct 5 #84

Charles Pierce can go sit on a hot poker. F**k him. We have an election to win! Tarheel_Dem Oct 5 #90

I can dig the aisle reach across, within limits Montauk6 Oct 5 #94

Not the time for this. There are dozens of more important issues to spend Persondem Oct 5 #95

Totally agree. returnee Oct 5 #97

It's called a coalition you fucking idiot (Pierce). awesomerwb1 Oct 5 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 5 #102

Where in the article does it say Pierce said anything about rejecting either Cheney's vote? Solly Mack Oct 5 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 5 #116

Where does it say he said to reject their votes? Answer that. And, Liz Cheney wouldn't reject that because she Solly Mack Oct 5 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 5 #119

But you got it wrong both times. Can't you admit it? How hard is it to admit that the man didn't say reject the votes Solly Mack Oct 5 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 5 #121

LMAO Thank you! Solly Mack Oct 5 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 6 #127

LMAO. Again, thank you! Solly Mack Oct 6 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 6 #129

Damn Solly Mack Oct 6 #131

known you here for years and years bigtree Oct 6 #133

Stop it. No where in any of your replies does it even remotely suggest that you were in pain or Solly Mack Oct 6 #134

Liz Cheney, Mike Pence... once in a while they are on the right side and do or say.... IcyPeas Oct 5 #110

It's the Bootlicking Neo-Con you know vs. the Facist Totalitarian Sino-Russo Nazi you don't know. TheBlackAdder Oct 5 #117

DURec leftstreet Oct 5 #123

Liz Cheney protected Ginni Thomas... TommyT139 Oct 5 #126

TOTALLY Agree! nt Raine Oct 6 #132

That's great. Let's do all that after the election. In It to Win It Oct 6 #135

Got that right. Autumn Oct 6 #137

I know their behavior JustAnotherGen Oct 6 #139

It's making me sick to be honest. It happens right on this site. mucholderthandirt Oct 6 #141