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JohnSJ

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21. and you don't know how many will vote for Harris/Walz because of those endorsements. It is called the Howard Dean

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:14 PM

Oct 5

50-State strategy.

We didn't know in 2016 whether Cornell West, David Sirota, Nina Turner, Briana Joy Gray, etc. would vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, but we gave them a seat at the table, and after the Convention, Cornell West promptly announced he was endorsing Jill Stein, while David Sirota, Nina Turner, Briana Joy Gray, etc. publicly made it clear they would not vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016.

That was the same strategy used by Ralph Nader supporters in 2000, where Michael Moore said "a vote for Gore is a vote for bush"

That worked out real well in 2016 also, with a similar mindset who voted for Jill Stein.

In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those critical swing states.

It didn't take much to lose the Supreme Court.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] bigtree Oct 5 OP

Phrases come to mind: "Cut off nose to spite your face", "Perfect is enemy of the good", . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 5 #1

Yeah, a lot of us aren't as smart as others displacedvermoter Oct 5 #2

I would argue it is even worse, those that feel the need to do that are actually working against the Democrats. JohnSJ Oct 5 #3

I would have to say that is pretty silly as displacedvermoter Oct 5 #8

people are so easily fooled Skittles Oct 5 #15

Like we were in 2016 by Cornell West, David Sirota, Brian Joy Gray, Nina Turner, etc. etc. etc. JohnSJ Oct 5 #22

WHATEVER Skittles Oct 5 #36

Yes, but H2O Man Oct 6 #51

and you don't know how many will vote for Harris/Walz because of those endorsements. It is called the Howard Dean JohnSJ Oct 5 #21

So why is a contingent here always so happy displacedvermoter Oct 5 #26

I don't know, but Sen. Sanders did endorse Hillary in 2016, and the Democratic nominees henceforth, but some of his JohnSJ Oct 6 #43

Those people named did support Sanders and they did not support Democrats JI7 Oct 6 #44

+1 betsuni Oct 6 #45

In any primary, some of the losers voters ultimately go for the other party karynnj Oct 6 #50

Personally ANYONE who said anything REMOTELY like "I will have to hold my nose to vote for Hillary" Eliot Rosewater Oct 6 #52

Pretty strident displacedvermoter Oct 6 #57

BULLSHIT Eliot Rosewater Oct 6 #58

Yes displacedvermoter Oct 6 #60

Amazing, isn't it? smh Hekate Oct 5 #4

Haters gonna hate. nt LexVegas Oct 5 #5

With that logic I should be rallying against those who voted for Jill Stein in 2016 also, instead of following the JohnSJ Oct 5 #23

Not railing against them at all. I don't talk about the Cheneys until a Cheney love fest gets started. Iggo Oct 5 #6

I saw a 'face-eating leopard' defending the face of our party yesterday. bigtree Oct 5 #12

"The enemy of my enemy is my.... electoral ally, for the moment" Jack Valentino Oct 5 #7

With you 100%, well said KS Toronado Oct 5 #30

YES we FIRST put the MASSIVE FIRE OUT then worry about the attitudes of some of the firefighters Eliot Rosewater Oct 6 #54

not railing AGAINST them Skittles Oct 5 #9

They're just hedging their bets if he loses, orthoclad Oct 5 #20

yup Skittles Oct 5 #34

and I could argue that Cornell West, David Sirota, Nina Turner, Brianna Joy Gray, etc. who actively campaigned against JohnSJ Oct 5 #24

not sure what that has to do with this but Skittles Oct 5 #35

Some of us can walk and chew gum and the same time Fiendish Thingy Oct 5 #10

THANK YOU Skittles Oct 5 #14

And see, you and me agreeing that pissing on displacedvermoter Oct 5 #18

I don't have to like them or ever vote for BlueKota Oct 5 #11

Agree 1000 percent LearnedHand Oct 5 #13

lol Hey.. I wanted to get on that thread and say.. Cha Oct 5 #16

Exactly Cha. With that logic, should I start condemning those who voted for Jill Stein in 2016, and helped give us the JohnSJ Oct 5 #25

DUH DUH DUH ...no, I know, lets require PERFECTION now NOT JUST FROM OUR CANDIDATES but ALSO from our VOTERS Eliot Rosewater Oct 6 #55

Agree. betsuni Oct 5 #17

This is not "politics". This is survival. orthoclad Oct 5 #19

Since 2016 my policy is simple: if you just support democracy, I don't need to quarrel with you. paulkienitz Oct 5 #27

I will debate reasons we need to be careful on this board and with hardcore liberal friends, BUT Cheezoholic Oct 5 #28

I don't see anyone here as naive like that bigtree Oct 5 #31

Like I said I agree with the premis that publically attacking the Cheney's support is a really bad idea Cheezoholic Oct 5 #37

sure, attack them viciously... AFTER THE THREAT IS OVER. paulkienitz Oct 11 #61

+1 betsuni Oct 6 #40

Thank you, our new coalition concerns me on another level displacedvermoter Oct 6 #38

Yep, I actually dont think we need the Cheney's endorsement to win but there is too much to lose Cheezoholic Oct 6 #39

Yup. Let's remember who the foe is, folks. Joinfortmill Oct 5 #29

Totally agree. Didn't Biden try to work with the other side? LiberalFighter Oct 5 #32

I welcome ammunition from all quarters. dalton99a Oct 5 #33

Right, just look at how close many of our elections have been JI7 Oct 6 #41

Some are STILL convinced the majority of Americans are secretly socialists or Leftist populists or whatever and betsuni Oct 6 #42

It's an article of faith around here that a Republican can never be right about anything Shrek Oct 6 #46

For my part DemonGoddess Oct 6 #47

Damn , this whole thread and NOT ONCE dweller Oct 6 #48

We're looking to save the country from utter madness peggysue2 Oct 6 #49

No SHIT...if trmp takes over there IS NO UNITED STATES OF AMERICA or Democratic Party or Eliot Rosewater Oct 6 #56

What you wrote should be obvious, Eliot peggysue2 Oct 6 #59

Well, whatever. mucholderthandirt Oct 6 #53