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Blaukraut

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114. I love Charlie Pierce but he is wrong here

Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:58 PM

Oct 5

We need the likes of the Cheneys to get us past the immediate danger of losing our democracy. Once we're in the clear, we can worry about the rest. When we can't distinguish between an honorable foe and a true enemy, we're lost.

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From Esquire, by Charles P. Pierce. I've Had Enough Of Democrats Rehabbing Dick and Liz Cheney [View all] Hotler Oct 5 OP

Preach it.... They are s root cause of the current fidease JT45242 Oct 5 #1

Oh please. What the hell is this? It's time to be Machiavellian now, use our heads. brush Oct 5 #67

Precisely. Like we can B.See Oct 5 #104

You are absolutely correct Blue Full Moon Oct 5 #89

I agree totally. Raven123 Oct 5 #2

Cheney is positioning herself to lead the Republican party wnylib Oct 5 #16

not a chance, she has NO support. WarGamer Oct 5 #25

She was defeated in Wyoming because of Trump's control wnylib Oct 5 #38

*Wyoming. WarGamer Oct 5 #39

Oops. Thanks. I corrected it. wnylib Oct 5 #62

I've explained it numerous times. WarGamer Oct 5 #40

Vance, maybe. Gabbard and DeSantis, no. wnylib Oct 5 #60

you are absolutely right. JohnSJ Oct 5 #88

Well, markodochartaigh Oct 5 #58

I have but one recommend to give and I give it with a resounding Fuck, Yeah! Solly Mack Oct 5 #3

As I have commented many times before on this point, Ocelot II Oct 5 #4

THIS SunSeeker Oct 5 #45

While I agree the proverbial gate should be cocked and ready to you know what. n/t Cheezoholic Oct 5 #49

K&R for Charlie Pierce and perspective! mountain grammy Oct 5 #5

Go fuck yourself Charles Pierce. This isn't about rehabilitation of anyone, JohnSJ Oct 5 #6

Agree, the dems are trying their best to get republicans to stand up and do the right thing Bev54 Oct 5 #27

THIS orangecrush Oct 5 #33

Thank you! This is all out war. We would not have won WWII if not for a pact we made with the Stalin devil! PortTack Oct 5 #34

Charles Pierce is as important a voice of displacedvermoter Oct 5 #69

I got it. We are 30 days from the general election and now is the perfect time to diss the republicans that are JohnSJ Oct 5 #85

You are so right. It's not that hard to understand. Winning is the thing. brush Oct 5 #105

I love Charlie Pierce but he is wrong here Blaukraut Oct 5 #114

Exactly. We're not fucking stupid FrankBooth Oct 6 #142

We are tryng to win an election JI7 Oct 5 #7

Exactly. What is he suggesting that VP Harris refuse his endorsement? JohnSJ Oct 5 #11

but we don't have to sell our soul to do it. tman Oct 5 #15

What does that even mean ? Why do people act like politics and elections are some personal religion ? JI7 Oct 5 #21

Sell one's soul Cirsium Oct 5 #31

This fucked up mentality is what gave us Bush and Cheney in the first place JI7 Oct 5 #44

He is pointing out that the Cheneys don't have much displacedvermoter Oct 5 #74

Who thinks it's anything more than that ? The endorsement itself JI7 Oct 5 #77

The author of the Esquire piece does Cirsium Oct 5 #81

Thise demanding purity aren't Democrats. They are the trash that helped Bush Cheney win JI7 Oct 5 #92

That is a problem Cirsium Oct 5 #108

The lying trash that helped Bush and Cheney win becsuse Gore wasn't Pure enough stent Democrats JI7 Oct 5 #109

Beg your pardon? Cirsium Oct 5 #112

My anger is towards those who have a problem with Kamala Harris tryng to win an election JI7 Oct 5 #113

Tulsi Gabbard? Cirsium Oct 5 #125

Right Cirsium Oct 5 #79

You're welcome displacedvermoter Oct 5 #80

Harris? Cirsium Oct 5 #76

Yep. This 'selling your soul' talk is straight-up electoral idiocy FrankBooth Oct 6 #143

Kamala isnt hating on Cheney, so i wont either. nt LexVegas Oct 5 #8

people can change--if 10% or even 5% of the rethuglicans follow Cheney's lead, we win easily. cadoman Oct 6 #130

A great column to write in MID-NOVEMBER Prairie Gates Oct 5 #9

Save it until after the election. We have a common enemy to defeat. We can sort our differences after. Midnight Writer Oct 5 #10

If Liz Cheney can influence Mz Pip Oct 5 #12

President Biden on Liz Cheney and her father: highplainsdem Oct 5 #13

How to lose an election. Let Pierce be your campaign manager. JohnSJ Oct 5 #14

Good for you, I can live with that. n/t elocs Oct 5 #17

Yup. Here's 2019 Liz praising Trump and accusing Democrats of murdering babies JHB Oct 5 #18

This isn't about supporting Liz Cheney for President JI7 Oct 5 #23

Pierce is a useful idiot, obviously......nt DoBW Oct 5 #32

Nicole is still a republican/republicon in her heart WhiteTara Oct 5 #19

If they can bring extra votes kacekwl Oct 5 #20

Who is suggesting we forget who they are? ShazzieB Oct 5 #65

Never angrychair Oct 5 #107

Or his honesty displacedvermoter Oct 5 #111

I respect your position, but I don't think we're on exactly the same page. ShazzieB Oct 5 #124

Strange times, strange bedfellows peggysue2 Oct 5 #22

Best read of the day, thanks! WarGamer Oct 5 #24

Let me understand this. So because the Democrats are trying to get republicans to vote for Harris/Walz you think that JohnSJ Oct 5 #86

I agree... but can we flush them all the day after the election? WarGamer Oct 5 #100

Of course. As bad as this may sound winning is paramount. because the stakes are so high. JohnSJ Oct 5 #106

It's called using people. Like joining a political party to run for office and the day after losing betsuni Oct 5 #26

What a great help to Trump! Frances Oct 5 #28

exaqctly, Pierce is a useful idiot .....nt DoBW Oct 5 #30

I can't stand Dick Cheney Jilly_in_VA Oct 5 #29

Lol. We have 30 days. No time for this ecstatic Oct 5 #35

The enemy of my enemy evolves Oct 5 #36

The most salient point here being... Hugin Oct 5 #37

Politics makes strange bedfellows Charles. Klarkashton Oct 5 #41

All true. mn9driver Oct 5 #42

I'm not "rehabbing" Liz Cheney. I'm just glad she gave credibility to the Jan 6th inquiry, and has been an endless Martin68 Oct 5 #43

Liz was very much part of the effort that created Donald Trump Skittles Oct 5 #54

Revenge for what? Martin68 Oct 5 #71

for the way they treated her Skittles Oct 5 #78

I'm guessing you haven't read her book. ShazzieB Oct 5 #73

I haven't read Cheney's book, but it was her defense of the Constitution that gained her my respect. Martin68 Oct 6 #140

If her Daddy or another Puke was subverting Democracy she would be fine with it. Autumn Oct 6 #138

of course she would Skittles Oct 6 #144

Oh boo hoo Chuck. Get over yourself. BannonsLiver Oct 5 #46

K n R. My feelings exactly. n/t JoeOtterbein Oct 5 #47

our entire country, democracy itself is at stake Takket Oct 5 #48

Yes Dick lied us into an unneeded war and became a billionaire from it, helped w to cheat his Botany Oct 5 #50

I hear you. It's an "Enemy of my enemy" thing. We do owe her a debt for standing against Trump. Joinfortmill Oct 5 #51

That is exactly what it is, nothing more. JohnSJ Oct 5 #87

We'll call it even because I'm sure she supported and enabled Trump's dumbass in the first place. In It to Win It Oct 6 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Oct 5 #52

"A laurel, and hardy handshake" JoseBalow Oct 5 #53

hey i will wear someones old cast off smelly sweaty shoes if thats the only way samnsara Oct 5 #55

I don't agree at all with Charles Pierce... orwell Oct 5 #56

Well stated. ShazzieB Oct 5 #75

It's "Liz", not Lynn, but Karma13612 Oct 5 #93

Sorry... orwell Oct 5 #103

There'll be plenty of time to hate them after the election Seasider Oct 5 #57

There's plenty of time now. Iggo Oct 5 #72

I don't give a crap who you hate or how much Seasider Oct 5 #96

THANK YOU Skittles Oct 5 #59

Fuckin' A. Iggo Oct 5 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author brush Oct 5 #63

Peirce says he knows we now need all hands on deck . . . people Oct 5 #64

OMG Pierce complainers. What you're saying he should say is literally what he said. pspro Oct 5 #66

Charles P. Pierce can sit on his high horse all by himself. madaboutharry Oct 5 #68

It's just that Dick Cheney is, always has been, a displacedvermoter Oct 5 #91

People evolve. madaboutharry Oct 5 #98

Two things can be true at the same time. Bleacher Creature Oct 5 #70

Good post! Kaleva Oct 5 #99

RSO rso Oct 5 #82

RSO rso Oct 5 #83

Thank you for your support Liz and Dick, now go back to your neo-con cave. jalan48 Oct 5 #84

Charles Pierce can go sit on a hot poker. F**k him. We have an election to win! Tarheel_Dem Oct 5 #90

I can dig the aisle reach across, within limits Montauk6 Oct 5 #94

Not the time for this. There are dozens of more important issues to spend Persondem Oct 5 #95

Totally agree. returnee Oct 5 #97

It's called a coalition you fucking idiot (Pierce). awesomerwb1 Oct 5 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 5 #102

Where in the article does it say Pierce said anything about rejecting either Cheney's vote? Solly Mack Oct 5 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 5 #116

Where does it say he said to reject their votes? Answer that. And, Liz Cheney wouldn't reject that because she Solly Mack Oct 5 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 5 #119

But you got it wrong both times. Can't you admit it? How hard is it to admit that the man didn't say reject the votes Solly Mack Oct 5 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 5 #121

LMAO Thank you! Solly Mack Oct 5 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 6 #127

LMAO. Again, thank you! Solly Mack Oct 6 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Oct 6 #129

Damn Solly Mack Oct 6 #131

known you here for years and years bigtree Oct 6 #133

Stop it. No where in any of your replies does it even remotely suggest that you were in pain or Solly Mack Oct 6 #134

Liz Cheney, Mike Pence... once in a while they are on the right side and do or say.... IcyPeas Oct 5 #110

It's the Bootlicking Neo-Con you know vs. the Facist Totalitarian Sino-Russo Nazi you don't know. TheBlackAdder Oct 5 #117

DURec leftstreet Oct 5 #123

Liz Cheney protected Ginni Thomas... TommyT139 Oct 5 #126

TOTALLY Agree! nt Raine Oct 6 #132

That's great. Let's do all that after the election. In It to Win It Oct 6 #135

Got that right. Autumn Oct 6 #137

I know their behavior JustAnotherGen Oct 6 #139

It's making me sick to be honest. It happens right on this site. mucholderthandirt Oct 6 #141