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Cirsium

(3,301 posts)
55. Eleven recommendations?
Thu Oct 10, 2024, 01:08 PM
Oct 2024

Eleven recommendations for this post?

Do I really need to say, here on DU, that not all Jews support the Israeli government actions and not all people who support the Israeli government actions are Jewish? You have complained about collective punishment and guilt by association in regards to the Palestinians. Yet here you are using the exact same logic.

You can't judge the group by the individual, and you can't judge the individual by the group. To do so is the essence of bigotry, and you have just expressed a bigoted point of view. That is unacceptable.

The Dutch did not do much fighting in the war and they certainly were not fighting "in defense of Jews."

Many of those parents and grandparents you refer to were Dutch Nazis or Nazi collaborators. The Dutch have kept much of the information about that hidden for decades. Here is Dutch author Sytze van der Zee, former editor of Het Parool newspaper, making the case for keeping the records about Dutch collaboration with the Nazis secret:

“This is just opening up a Pandora’s box,” he said to explain why he objects to broadening access to the archive. “There are things in these files that are so horrible and disgusting — things that people did to survive, things you don’t want to know about your grandmother.”

By opening the files, he said, “we go back to the years of shame,” he said. “I’d say, wait another 50 years or so.”


100,000 were members of the Dutch Nazi party during the war. 51,000 Dutch citizens received prison sentences after the war for collaborating with the Nazis.

The Netherlands, despite a reputation as a country that heroically resisted the Germans, has more recently been coming to terms with evidence of the extent to which individuals and institutions collaborated with the Nazis.

Dutch historian Ad van Liempt’s landmark book, “Hitler’s Bounty Hunters,” revealed a network of Dutch privateer “Jew hunters” who were paid “head money” for each person they delivered to the police. He said in an interview that the archives were essential to his research.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/25/arts/dutch-files-accused-nazi-collaborators.html

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Netanyahu's been doing 'their' work for them. elleng Oct 2024 #1
What's that suppose to mean? These Cha Oct 2024 #9
What does Netanyahu have to do with the police in Netherlands JI7 Oct 2024 #21
I hate netanyahu but this is bullshit wolfie001 Oct 2024 #2
If you can't perform the duties you signed up for, please put in your resignation letters. jimfields33 Oct 2024 #3
There is no "moral dilemma." madaboutharry Oct 2024 #4
Me too! JustAnotherGen Oct 2024 #31
Maybe just maybe people whose parents fought against fascism in defense malaise Oct 2024 #5
As do Jews in the Netherlands have rights elias7 Oct 2024 #6
Good post, Rec & TY Cha Oct 2024 #11
I though it was about Israel, not the Jews sarisataka Oct 2024 #7
No Doubt These Anti-Semitic Assholes Cha Oct 2024 #10
And what do Dutch Jews have to do with the Middle East? EX500rider Oct 2024 #12
Is it about Israel or Jews? EllieBC Oct 2024 #14
That would be prejudging all jews as if they are all supporters. They are not Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2024 #22
So, to be pellucidly clear, you support the targeting of random Dutch Jews....because Israel? tritsofme Oct 2024 #24
This is naked racism in its rawest form Sympthsical Oct 2024 #25
Thank-you for this and exposing the not so subtle antisemitism that is on display. JohnSJ Oct 2024 #40
+1 betsuni Oct 2024 #41
Post removed Post removed Oct 2024 #43
Breaking a 20 year lurking streak to say ZRB Oct 2024 #45
I'm not Jewish either Sympthsical Oct 2024 #49
Spot on Zeitghost Oct 2024 #57
Completely unsurprised that the post has stood. nt LexVegas Oct 2024 #56
Very much so. Behind the Aegis Oct 2024 #58
So you are accusing Jews around the world madaboutharry Oct 2024 #26
... betsuni Oct 2024 #29
Disgusting comments. Self Esteem Oct 2024 #32
Still sickened that this naked display of anti-Semitism is permitted. For shame. tritsofme Oct 2024 #35
Anti-Zionism is not malaise Oct 2024 #44
Joe Biden has described himself as "Zionist" sarisataka Oct 2024 #46
Your previous comments go far, far beyond anti-Zionism Sympthsical Oct 2024 #47
Put whatever label you like, but we know this is pure unadulterated Jew hatred. tritsofme Oct 2024 #50
This post JustAnotherGen Oct 2024 #34
lol...so on brand... Fix The Stupid Oct 2024 #42
Eleven recommendations? Cirsium Oct 2024 #55
To be pellucidly clear . . . Richard D Nov 2024 #60
What is happening to this world? usedtobedemgurl Oct 2024 #8
The 1930s are back DavidDvorkin Oct 2024 #13
Unfortunately, you are correct canetoad Oct 2024 #15
Like other forms of hate B.See Oct 2024 #16
No! Not in the Netherlands. It used to a reliably liberal country. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2024 #17
Antisemitism in Europe? No way. nt LexVegas Oct 2024 #18
Right? Why anyone is surprised.... EllieBC Oct 2024 #19
Exactly, its a 2000 year tradition. nt LexVegas Oct 2024 #20
Some apparently need a history reminder, right? EX500rider Oct 2024 #23
strange. since when do cops express desires not to guard sites? what's not being said in the article? BlueWaveNeverEnd Oct 2024 #27
That would be my guess. DFW Oct 2024 #28
WTH. This is blatant antisemitism. JohnSJ Oct 2024 #30
Wow. Just bc certain Israeli Jews, and some American Jews support Netanyahu's Excessive War... electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #33
So many adages could apply: "Some things NEVER change." , "What was old, is new again." , "Old habits die hard." Behind the Aegis Oct 2024 #36
First - Thank you for weighing in JustAnotherGen Oct 2024 #37
Thanks friend. Behind the Aegis Oct 2024 #39
"Never again" is now. lapucelle Oct 2024 #38
Anne Frank n/t Lulu KC Oct 2024 #48
The freaking Anne Frank house is in Amsterdam. Basso8vb Oct 2024 #51
Quite the opposite, they are more than aware of the history. tritsofme Oct 2024 #52
The police behavior does not comport with that assertion. Basso8vb Oct 2024 #53
Consider your assumptions sarisataka Oct 2024 #54
The only thing I can say to that (right now) is. . . Richard D Nov 2024 #59
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