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Cirsium

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55. Eleven recommendations?

Thu Oct 10, 2024, 01:08 PM

Oct 10

Eleven recommendations for this post?

Do I really need to say, here on DU, that not all Jews support the Israeli government actions and not all people who support the Israeli government actions are Jewish? You have complained about collective punishment and guilt by association in regards to the Palestinians. Yet here you are using the exact same logic.

You can't judge the group by the individual, and you can't judge the individual by the group. To do so is the essence of bigotry, and you have just expressed a bigoted point of view. That is unacceptable.

The Dutch did not do much fighting in the war and they certainly were not fighting "in defense of Jews."

Many of those parents and grandparents you refer to were Dutch Nazis or Nazi collaborators. The Dutch have kept much of the information about that hidden for decades. Here is Dutch author Sytze van der Zee, former editor of Het Parool newspaper, making the case for keeping the records about Dutch collaboration with the Nazis secret:

“This is just opening up a Pandora’s box,” he said to explain why he objects to broadening access to the archive. “There are things in these files that are so horrible and disgusting — things that people did to survive, things you don’t want to know about your grandmother.”

By opening the files, he said, “we go back to the years of shame,” he said. “I’d say, wait another 50 years or so.”

100,000 were members of the Dutch Nazi party during the war. 51,000 Dutch citizens received prison sentences after the war for collaborating with the Nazis.

The Netherlands, despite a reputation as a country that heroically resisted the Germans, has more recently been coming to terms with evidence of the extent to which individuals and institutions collaborated with the Nazis.

Dutch historian Ad van Liempt’s landmark book, “Hitler’s Bounty Hunters,” revealed a network of Dutch privateer “Jew hunters” who were paid “head money” for each person they delivered to the police. He said in an interview that the archives were essential to his research.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/25/arts/dutch-files-accused-nazi-collaborators.html

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Dutch police refuse to guard Jewish sites over 'moral dilemmas,' officers say [View all] Mosby Oct 5 OP

Netanyahu's been doing 'their' work for them. elleng Oct 5 #1

What's that suppose to mean? These Cha Oct 5 #9

What does Netanyahu have to do with the police in Netherlands JI7 Oct 5 #21

I hate netanyahu but this is bullshit wolfie001 Oct 5 #2

If you can't perform the duties you signed up for, please put in your resignation letters. jimfields33 Oct 5 #3

There is no "moral dilemma." madaboutharry Oct 5 #4

Me too! JustAnotherGen Oct 6 #31

Maybe just maybe people whose parents fought against fascism in defense malaise Oct 5 #5

As do Jews in the Netherlands have rights elias7 Oct 5 #6

Good post, Rec & TY Cha Oct 5 #11

I though it was about Israel, not the Jews sarisataka Oct 5 #7

No Doubt These Anti-Semitic Assholes Cha Oct 5 #10

And what do Dutch Jews have to do with the Middle East? EX500rider Oct 5 #12

Is it about Israel or Jews? EllieBC Oct 5 #14

That would be prejudging all jews as if they are all supporters. They are not Bernardo de La Paz Oct 5 #22

So, to be pellucidly clear, you support the targeting of random Dutch Jews....because Israel? tritsofme Oct 5 #24

This is naked racism in its rawest form Sympthsical Oct 5 #25

Thank-you for this and exposing the not so subtle antisemitism that is on display. JohnSJ Oct 10 #40

+1 betsuni Oct 10 #41

Post removed Post removed Oct 10 #43

Breaking a 20 year lurking streak to say ZRB Oct 10 #45

I'm not Jewish either Sympthsical Oct 10 #49

Spot on Zeitghost Oct 10 #57

Completely unsurprised that the post has stood. nt LexVegas Oct 10 #56

Very much so. Behind the Aegis Oct 10 #58

So you are accusing Jews around the world madaboutharry Oct 5 #26

... betsuni Oct 6 #29

Disgusting comments. Self Esteem Oct 6 #32

Still sickened that this naked display of anti-Semitism is permitted. For shame. tritsofme Oct 7 #35

Anti-Zionism is not malaise Oct 10 #44

Joe Biden has described himself as "Zionist" sarisataka Oct 10 #46

Your previous comments go far, far beyond anti-Zionism Sympthsical Oct 10 #47

Put whatever label you like, but we know this is pure unadulterated Jew hatred. tritsofme Oct 10 #50

This post JustAnotherGen Oct 7 #34

lol...so on brand... Fix The Stupid Oct 10 #42

Eleven recommendations? Cirsium Oct 10 #55

To be pellucidly clear . . . Richard D Nov 8 #60

What is happening to this world? usedtobedemgurl Oct 5 #8

The 1930s are back DavidDvorkin Oct 5 #13

Unfortunately, you are correct canetoad Oct 5 #15

Like other forms of hate B.See Oct 5 #16

No! Not in the Netherlands. It used to a reliably liberal country. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 5 #17

Antisemitism in Europe? No way. nt LexVegas Oct 5 #18

Right? Why anyone is surprised.... EllieBC Oct 5 #19

Exactly, its a 2000 year tradition. nt LexVegas Oct 5 #20

Some apparently need a history reminder, right? EX500rider Oct 5 #23

strange. since when do cops express desires not to guard sites? what's not being said in the article? BlueWaveNeverEnd Oct 5 #27

That would be my guess. DFW Oct 6 #28

WTH. This is blatant antisemitism. JohnSJ Oct 6 #30

Wow. Just bc certain Israeli Jews, and some American Jews support Netanyahu's Excessive War... electric_blue68 Oct 6 #33

So many adages could apply: "Some things NEVER change." , "What was old, is new again." , "Old habits die hard." Behind the Aegis Oct 7 #36

First - Thank you for weighing in JustAnotherGen Oct 7 #37

Thanks friend. Behind the Aegis Oct 10 #39

"Never again" is now. lapucelle Oct 9 #38

Anne Frank n/t Lulu KC Oct 10 #48

The freaking Anne Frank house is in Amsterdam. Basso8vb Oct 10 #51

Quite the opposite, they are more than aware of the history. tritsofme Oct 10 #52

The police behavior does not comport with that assertion. Basso8vb Oct 10 #53

Consider your assumptions sarisataka Oct 10 #54

The only thing I can say to that (right now) is. . . Richard D Nov 8 #59