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BumRushDaShow

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40. I have a whole text file of links to pollster and pollster analyst handwrining about what went wrong in 2022
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:02 AM
Oct 2024

A lot of it involved some serious pretzel-twisting.

And what did they do to address this? Over-sample even MORE 45 voters - basically "trolls under the bridge that are supposedly 'shy'".

They continue to dismiss the impact of Roe (which was one of the reasons why they flubbed 2022) and right now, there are whole demographics who they are intentionally ignoring as "likely voters" because by golly, those groups "didn't vote in the past" so they are assumed to NOT be a "likely voter". And in some cases, they do some black box "weighting" to correct for their intentional skew, which is a bunch of nonsense that makes no sense other than to try to make the numbers "look legit".

I know in 2022, some of what I call "the narrative" was designed to make Democrats spend MORE money on what were SAFE SEATS because the polluted polls that came out right around this same time in 2022, suddenly took 10 - 15 point ranges, down to a couple points, and even to "tied". And this was often AFTER they had actually switched to LV models.

An example was this that I have posted a few times before in other threads -

The ‘Red Wave’ Washout: How Skewed Polls Fed a False Election Narrative

By Jim Rutenberg, Ken Bensinger and Steve Eder
Dec. 31, 2022

Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat, had consistently won re-election by healthy margins in her three decades representing Washington State. This year seemed no different: By midsummer, polls showed her cruising to victory over a Republican newcomer, Tiffany Smiley, by as much as 20 percentage points.

So when a survey in late September by the Republican-leaning Trafalgar Group showed Ms. Murray clinging to a lead of just two points, it seemed like an aberration. But in October, two more Republican-leaning polls put Ms. Murray barely ahead, and a third said the race was a dead heat.

(snip)

Ms. Murray’s own polling showed her with a comfortable lead, and a nonprofit regional news site, using an established local pollster, had her up by 13. Unwilling to take chances, however, she went on the defensive, scuttling her practice of lavishing some of her war chest — she amassed $20 million — on more vulnerable Democratic candidates elsewhere. Instead, she reaped financial help from the party’s national Senate committee and supportive super PACs — resources that would, as a result, be unavailable to other Democrats.

A similar sequence of events played out in battlegrounds nationwide. Surveys showing strength for Republicans, often from the same partisan pollsters, set Democratic klaxons blaring in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Colorado. Coupled with the political factors already favoring Republicans — including inflation and President Biden’s unpopularity — the skewed polls helped feed what quickly became an inescapable political narrative: A Republican wave election was about to hit the country with hurricane force. Democrats in each of those states went on to win their Senate races. Ms. Murray clobbered Ms. Smiley by nearly 15 points.

(snip)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html


In essence, the gasbag media have "reset the clock" back to 2016 and completely ignored 2020. And the thing with 2020 is this - IMAGINE if there was no pandemic that basically limited many people's ability to vote because the number of polling stations were drastically cut due to not enough workers and/or workers and/or actual voters who had COVID.

2016 was BEFORE Roe was overturned and before J6, but to them, none of that matters. It's 2016 all over again.

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Utter and complete bullshit: [View all] PCIntern Oct 2024 OP
I think the biggest obstacle we face... Think. Again. Oct 2024 #1
Americans have been spoiled Dem4life1234 Oct 2024 #2
I agree. Think. Again. Oct 2024 #3
Just today a teaser showed up on my homepage about new questions about Harris as a DA. From CNN. Fucking really? dem4decades Oct 2024 #4
Exactly PCIntern Oct 2024 #5
My fear is the fascists haven't yet loaded their secret weapon, whatever that is... sarchasm Oct 2024 #35
It is known as their nepharious "October Surprise" DENVERPOPS Oct 2024 #39
We will win back the House leftieNanner Oct 2024 #54
I Love Your Optimism! I'm Betting You Are Not Addicted to Poll-Watching The Roux Comes First Oct 2024 #62
You are correct! leftieNanner Oct 2024 #63
The false equivalency BS. My simple reply to folks I know who keep saying they allegorical oracle Oct 2024 #43
One year of college-level U.S. History and 1 year of World History, Jack Valentino Oct 2024 #64
+ I dont think our country and democracy can survive another T presidency. appalachiablue Oct 2024 #67
The MSM is not being misled, gab13by13 Oct 2024 #6
You're correct PCIntern Oct 2024 #7
This is what I am talking about, gab13by13 Oct 2024 #8
Doesn't matter liberalgunwilltravel Oct 2024 #17
Exactly! I'm counting on that... bsiebs Oct 2024 #27
From your post to God's ears. Beartracks Oct 2024 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2024 #47
They also want Trump's own supporters not to be discouraged-- especially since Jack Valentino Oct 2024 #65
i HAVE HEARD ALL MY LIFE WHY VOTE IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE FROM PEOPLE HagathaCrispy Oct 2024 #9
So dangerous to be apathetic now. Evolve Dammit Oct 2024 #13
Idiocy. PCIntern Oct 2024 #60
Big media may be in trouble if Trump is elected, but also if he is not. hay rick Oct 2024 #10
This might be the election season that knocks the MSM down a few pegs. CrispyQ Oct 2024 #42
The Rs looked within and have chosen to double down on their insanity. Clouds Passing Oct 2024 #11
I heard tsf interviewed crud Oct 2024 #12
The bureaucracy k55f5r Oct 2024 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2024 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2024 #14
I keep reading/seeing/hearing that the media want "a horserace" because it's a better... 3catwoman3 Oct 2024 #15
There is NO Free Press in.... ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2024 #16
They only see near term. All businesses strive for quarterly results. usonian Oct 2024 #29
As the planet circles the drain. CrispyQ Oct 2024 #45
It's a bifurcation as old as America itself bucolic_frolic Oct 2024 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2024 #21
Constitution referred to 'commerce' I think bucolic_frolic Oct 2024 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2024 #26
Exactly right and we need to control Private Equity as they have destroyed 3 low income hospitals Stargazer99 Oct 2024 #44
Don't forget liberalgunwilltravel Oct 2024 #34
The media needs you to watch and listen. PennRalphie Oct 2024 #19
A week before 2022 PA elections SomedayKindaLove Oct 2024 #30
That's what I'm talking sbout PennRalphie Oct 2024 #36
Just heard a talking head say, "Women don't poll well." I believe him...nt Wounded Bear Oct 2024 #20
The Germans in the 30's really had no clue what was happening. Biophilic Oct 2024 #22
Thank you for this. My take: Media coverage Joinfortmill Oct 2024 #24
Oh Please RobinA Oct 2024 #58
We disagree. Joinfortmill Oct 2024 #59
I think the source of those voters' constantly-repeated mantra of "I don't know what Harris stands for"... Mister Ed Oct 2024 #68
The media is controlled by advertising revenue. A few letters to some of their advertisers would carry more weight than cutroot Oct 2024 #28
Republicans taking a real good look at themselves WestMichRad Oct 2024 #31
It took 2 years before Charles Joseph Scarborough would say anything about the psycho in charge.... SalamanderSleeps Oct 2024 #32
joe Kali999 Oct 2024 #52
Tiny correction wryter2000 Oct 2024 #33
And they never offered a mea culpa, an apology, or even a half baked reason why they were so wrong. bluesbassman Oct 2024 #37
I have a whole text file of links to pollster and pollster analyst handwrining about what went wrong in 2022 BumRushDaShow Oct 2024 #40
The Media is bought and paid for by LilElf70 Oct 2024 #41
I'll believe these polls when someone can explain to me what would have happened in the last 2 weeks to change them. D23MIURG23 Oct 2024 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2024 #49
This world wide wally Oct 2024 #51
Polling never showed a Red Wave was coming. Yes 2022 Polling was off, but only by 1.3% well within the margin of error krawhitham Oct 2024 #50
Assuming what you say is correct PCIntern Oct 2024 #55
My favorite part of that election night... W_HAMILTON Oct 2024 #53
They don't care. They are making money hand over fist. OldBaldy1701E Oct 2024 #56
I've paid no attention to the polls, especially this year. slightlv Oct 2024 #57
TSF is going to try to take us all down with him. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2024 #61
Totally agree. Nt Figarosmom Oct 2024 #66
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