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Ms. Toad

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25. In all of those, he's saying exactly what he wants to say,

Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:36 AM

Nov 2

When it pops into his mind, usually as a result of some adjacent thought (in this instance war hawk Cheney). His lack of filter prevents him from saying it, or disguising it. His handlers, after the fact, try to explain it away using the context that triggered the thought.

He simply doesn't have the executive functioning necessary to pull together the sophisticated Let-me-figure-out-how-to-say-it-so-I-have-built-in-deniability. I have significant experience with people with loss of executive function. His "weaves" using a combination of repeated fixed (false) elements and stream of consciousness triggers is exactly what it looks like.

He is saying exactly what he means - he just isn't capable of creating any sort of clever disguise to give it deniability. That deniability is hastily crafted, after the fact, by people trying to salvage his campaign.

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For those who think Trump's comments about Cheney were taken out of context... [View all] LuckyCharms Nov 2 OP

Question, is there usually 9 people in a firing squad? MacKasey Nov 2 #1

At least 5 shooters are required, so 9 is very plausible and perhaps likely in some squads. LuckyCharms Nov 2 #4

5-6 is de rigeur. WarGamer Nov 2 #62

Six is traditional, but can be as many as 12, so this is NOT his "plausible deniabiity" because he said 9 hlthe2b Nov 2 #15

Surely there's no one in this forum defending him on context. paleotn Nov 2 #2

Yup, it's a bad mood to argue gas lighting. gab13by13 Nov 2 #6

maher did that. mopinko Nov 2 #11

Maher's a gaslighter too Clouds Passing Nov 2 #21

he has his fans. mopinko Nov 2 #27

I used to agree with many of Maher's markodochartaigh Nov 2 #61

Not surprising. Maher has serious issues and needs good therapy. paleotn Nov 2 #28

Count on Maher to pimp for trump. Paladin Nov 2 #67

When someone is defending gaslighting gab13by13 Nov 2 #3

It's not only the other side. n/t LuckyCharms Nov 2 #5

I stand by my post #3. gab13by13 Nov 2 #7

In addition, Dems are not the only people who read this forum. Not by a long shot. LuckyCharms Nov 2 #8

Well said. Think. Again. Nov 2 #31

When he talks about his beautiful white skin Emile Nov 2 #9

Yes it is. He's actually saying that white skin is better than dark skin. LuckyCharms Nov 2 #13

Certainly makes sense. "Parading" the implied positive contrast of his "skin tone" w "others". Ugh. electric_blue68 Nov 2 #71

no, barbtries Nov 2 #44

Hmmm, they (in their minds) don't care, or are proud of their racism etc electric_blue68 Nov 2 #73

Too magas, racism is a positive and maybe even the password to get into their sick little gatherings. Attilatheblond Nov 2 #74

well said and well argued, LuckyCharms fishwax Nov 2 #10

"he speaks in code, like a mob boss. everyone around him knows what he means." michael cohen. mopinko Nov 2 #12

⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. Nov 2 #34

He's just not mentally competent enough to pull that off. Ms. Toad Nov 2 #14

I disagree with your first sentence 100%. LuckyCharms Nov 2 #17

In all of those, he's saying exactly what he wants to say, Ms. Toad Nov 2 #25

I agree 100%! ShazzieB Nov 2 #70

Yes, lack of impulse control is a result of his ongoing dementia... ananda Nov 2 #24

I agree. CrispyQ Nov 2 #32

Exactly, maybe about 6 months ago Farmer-Rick Nov 2 #33

It doesn't take mental competence... Think. Again. Nov 2 #36

Lying doesn't take mental competence. Ms. Toad Nov 2 #55

As those of us with direct experience dealing with mental decline know... Think. Again. Nov 2 #56

Before my spouse was diagnosed with cognitive impairment consistent with the early stages of Alzheimers Ms. Toad Nov 2 #72

What I see happening with trump is simple "bullshitting". Think. Again. Nov 2 #79

He simply doesn't have that cognitive ability and impulse control. Ms. Toad Nov 2 #80

After a lifetime of doing it, it's inherent and habitual to any of his conversations. Think. Again. Nov 2 #81

Lying, yes. Ms. Toad Nov 2 #82

I disagree. edisdead Nov 2 #60

He can barely read a teleprompter, let alone follow a message someone else crafted. Ms. Toad Nov 2 #69

How can a candidate for POTUS Grammy23 Nov 2 #16

For a lot of the MAGA cult rank and file it's exactly what they like to hear. bluesbassman Nov 2 #38

There is no excuse for Trump making a threat to Liz Cheney. gordianot Nov 2 #18

Put opponents in their place. Kid Berwyn Nov 2 #35

Too much credit Jughead Nov 2 #19

It's not about intelligence. LuckyCharms Nov 2 #20

There has to be a law passed by Congress and signed by President Harris... Justice matters. Nov 2 #22

Dump was taught gaslighting, it is prime nature to him to gaslight others. That is the way he functions.. Clouds Passing Nov 2 #23

+1. Exactly right. LuckyCharms Nov 2 #26

it's true. barbtries Nov 2 #30

It's not just any gas,either,it's methane. He's one of the world's major producers. BattleRow Nov 2 #37

Hehe Farmer-Rick Nov 2 #40

TY BattleRow Nov 2 #47

He was a con man before he became a fascist. Now he's both. Martin Eden Nov 2 #41

I think it's both. He is appealing to the deranged, who think acting insane is cool, like Eloonatic. Clouds Passing Nov 2 #43

The dementia is definitely showing in many ways, but wnylib Nov 2 #52

But ... does any of that attract undecided voters at this point? Martin Eden Nov 2 #57

I don't think that Trump cares about attracting undecided voters. wnylib Nov 2 #68

He and his Rethug accomplices plan to steal the election. Martin Eden Nov 2 #75

And it's a fight that we will win. wnylib Nov 2 #76

i think the implication was clear. barbtries Nov 2 #29

He could not find the word firing-squad Farmer-Rick Nov 2 #39

Agree. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2 #50

You're exactly right ... Chump's got dog whistles ... the cult-MAGAs know them and they respond FakeNoose Nov 2 #42

So Lindsay and all the others gqp ass kissers are okay with this? PortTack Nov 2 #45

Michael Cohen said in 2019...before a Congressional committee ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2 #46

Glenn K's take on this... RobertDevereaux Nov 2 #48

He definitely threatened her MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2 #49

"Nice firing squad you got here... ZZenith Nov 2 #51

Kick dalton99a Nov 2 #53

There is NO frigging 'context' to what Trump said/threatened peggysue2 Nov 2 #54

May I share this on social media? edisdead Nov 2 #58

Of course! LuckyCharms Nov 2 #59

Take away everything Trump's supporters claim was a "joke" or "he didn't really mean," and there'd be nothing left. n/t Beartracks Nov 2 #63

It's what Michael Cohen described as "code" 9 years ago. Nothing has changed. He learned it early. n/t Evolve Dammit Nov 2 #64

It's clear that he wanted that ODDLY SPECIFIC/DETAILED imagery out there. Wingus Dingus Nov 2 #65

Here's his full quote: intrepidity Nov 2 #66

They mean it was taken out of the weave. Cartoonist Nov 2 #77

I had a stupid question. Never mind. Linda ladeewolf Nov 2 #78

Why doesn't he just fucking die already? Orrex Nov 2 #83

Notice he has ZERO shade to throw at his military brass who condemned him? Montauk6 Nov 3 #84

"the weave" rampartd Nov 3 #85