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Ocelot II

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38. True, and that makes it a lot harder.

Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:48 AM

Nov 6

But one of the things I learned when reading about the Norwegian resistance movement, which was one of the most effective such movements in Europe, was that some people were Nazi sympathizers or members of the party, and the resistance members were constantly having to hide their activities not only from the known Nazis but from friends and neighbors - either because they were known to be on the Nazis' side or because they didn't know; so everything was very clandestine. The long-term effects of this secrecy and mistrust lasted for years after the war was over.

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I've been reading about the Norwegian resistance movement during WWII [View all] Ocelot II Nov 6 OP

But they were eventually liberated by the allies by defeating Germany. Who will liberate us? Javaman Nov 6 #1

I wish I knew. Ocelot II Nov 6 #2

Who will save Ukraine? Attilatheblond Nov 6 #21

yup. not only Ukraine, but Taiwan and South Korea as well. there are many others but those are the big ones. nt Javaman Nov 6 #25

No one. onecaliberal Nov 6 #28

No one is coming to save the USA JustAnotherGen Nov 6 #39

That's what I was thinking "we are the resistance." kerry-is-my-prez Nov 6 #3

Why not paper clips? They have a noble history as a resistance symbol. Ocelot II Nov 6 #5

The Paper-Clip Resistance starts here and now, today. lastlib Nov 6 #10

Im down. It will take the idiots among us at least 4 years to figure out what it means. Volaris Nov 6 #12

Am I being too dramatic? jfz9580m Nov 6 #4

I subscribe to Arendt's idea kairos12 Nov 6 #31

I live in the California Republic Magoo48 Nov 6 #6

Same here. We are very grateful to live here. Silver Gaia Nov 6 #17

Same musette_sf Nov 6 #53

Not too dramatic kenziemom06 Nov 6 #7

No, he knew its was a deadly airborne virus. He lied that's why so many died. onecaliberal Nov 6 #29

America is an idea, and they can't kill an idea. ariadne0614 Nov 6 #8

We've got less than two months before things start going sideways. Ocelot II Nov 6 #9

Here in the California Republic, fascism won't go over too well. Magoo48 Nov 6 #14

I'm pretty confident that New England will resist. griffi94 Nov 6 #47

...And then, there is Florida. Conjuay Nov 6 #52

Can Blue states secede Marthe48 Nov 6 #11

ironically markie Nov 6 #15

John Steinbeck's great book, The Moon Is Down ananda Nov 6 #13

No. I'm stunned. Joinfortmill Nov 6 #16

No. We are having similar thoughts at my house. Silver Gaia Nov 6 #18

Gene Sharp's Dictatorship to Democracy Blue Full Moon Nov 6 #19

Resistance lindalou65 Nov 6 #20

Thank you for starting the discussion about resistance jmbar2 Nov 6 #22

a wave of blue resistance DoBW Nov 6 #24

That Wave... GB_RN Nov 6 #54

Interesting idea jfz9580m Nov 6 #33

No, Ocelot II... GiqueCee Nov 6 #23

I guess my question is just rhetorical Ocelot II Nov 6 #26

I'll scream with you... GiqueCee Nov 6 #36

A good way to start in a failing capitalist society Klarkashton Nov 6 #27

You may be on to somethig. defacto7 Nov 6 #41

Put them though a Christmas season where sales are down Klarkashton Nov 6 #43

That would be no loss for me. I can do without it. defacto7 Nov 6 #44

It's that simple. It's actually painless. Cancel Klarkashton Nov 6 #45

Maybe you should make this a new discussion. See what comes of it. defacto7 Nov 6 #46

This. Economic pain. griffi94 Nov 6 #48

It's actually their only fear. "Consumer sentiment" Klarkashton Nov 6 #50

Exactly, consistent sacrifice in some key areas of consumption will be a good beginning. Magoo48 Nov 6 #49

Not too dramatic. summer_in_TX Nov 6 #30

Ooo! Good idea! GiqueCee Nov 6 #37

K&R defacto7 Nov 6 #42

Everyone needs to read up on the kairos12 Nov 6 #32

The Norwegians didn't elect the Nazis HereForTheParty Nov 6 #34

True, and that makes it a lot harder. Ocelot II Nov 6 #38

What I'm most worried about are the most vulnerable people and the economy. Lonestarblue Nov 6 #35

I agree. I hope charities and other organizations will step in and help. Ocelot II Nov 6 #40

Yes, all of this. Magoo48 Nov 6 #51

Not too dramatic... Ysabel Nov 6 #55