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Marigold

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56. Tom Nichols had a great Article in the Atlantic Daily
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 11:27 PM
Nov 2024

This makes me feel a little bit better and it makes a lot of sense.

Trump’s opponents are now muttering about the choice of Tim Walz, the influence of the Russians, the role of the right-wing media, and whether President Joe Biden should not have stepped aside in favor of Harris. Even the old saw about “economic anxiety” is making a comeback.

These explanations all have some merit, but mostly, they miss the point. Yes, some voters still stubbornly believe that presidents magically control the price of basic goods. Others have genuine concerns about immigration and gave in to Trump’s booming call of fascism and nativism. And some of them were just never going to vote for a woman, much less a Black woman.

But in the end, a majority of American voters chose Trump because they wanted what he was selling: a nonstop reality show of rage and resentment. Some Democrats, still gripped by the lure of wonkery, continue to scratch their heads over which policy proposals might have unlocked more votes, but that was always a mug’s game. Trump voters never cared about policies, and he rarely gave them any. (Choosing to be eaten by a shark rather than electrocuted might be a personal preference, but it’s not a policy.) His rallies involved long rants about the way he’s been treated, like a giant therapy session or a huge family gathering around a bellowing, impaired grandpa.

Back in 2021, I wrote a book about the rise of “illiberal populism,” the self-destructive tendency in some nations that leads people to participate in democratic institutions such as voting while being hostile to democracy itself, casting ballots primarily to punish other people and to curtail everyone’s rights—even their own. These movements are sometimes led by fantastically wealthy faux populists who hoodwink gullible voters by promising to solve a litany of problems that always seem to involve money, immigrants, and minorities. The appeals from these charlatans resonate most not among the very poor, but among a bored, relatively well-off middle class, usually those who are deeply uncomfortable with racial and demographic changes in their own countries.

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I feel the same way. Let them have what they want, rubberstamp it. Wingus Dingus Nov 2024 #1
Possibly for 100-200 days Captain Zero Nov 2024 #12
We won't have to run ads, they'll brag about it. Wingus Dingus Nov 2024 #19
Then blame the Dems for their misery Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #27
But remember: they're good at distracting, AND making this sound like something good. calimary Nov 2024 #69
What's that song? Be careful what you want... ananda Nov 2024 #14
Every vote the Democrats should abstain LiberalArkie Nov 2024 #25
How thoughtful of you toward your fellow citizens. NOT wnylib Nov 2024 #42
Watch it all burn? You sound like a MAGA. How did you end up at DU with that attitude? wnylib Nov 2024 #44
Yep, the people who just want to watch it burn voted for Trump. Fish700 Nov 2024 #73
Said the same thing to my husband earlier today Blaukraut Nov 2024 #2
And that's the downside and why the Democrats won't do it because they are the party of the people. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #6
That's because we let them.... Butterflylady Nov 2024 #38
We really need to start to network. roamer65 Nov 2024 #20
Include in that "knowledge and understanding" wnylib Nov 2024 #45
Interesting POV. Give 'em what they voted for. Hmmm ... CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2024 #3
At least for the first 100 days. Captain Zero Nov 2024 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Nov 2024 #5
They will The Madcap Nov 2024 #36
Ohhh, that's the best part: PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2024 #48
Unfortunately The Madcap Nov 2024 #51
Yeah RJ_MacReady Nov 2024 #7
This is exactly what dictators want gab13by13 Nov 2024 #8
We fought 'em for four years and they still voted him back into office. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #9
I for one would like to see what happens. Maybe this is what needs to happen, in fact. Wingus Dingus Nov 2024 #10
How Do You Propose We Fight Them? SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 #13
Great point Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #11
We jump in and prevent the worst of the republican derangements from happening The Unmitigated Gall Nov 2024 #15
Except...many human lives will be lost if we give them what they want. LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #16
That's a given. No matter what we do. HappyLarge Nov 2024 #23
Just because people voted for it, does not negate the fact that MORE LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #24
Many people's lives will be lost either way. PortTack Nov 2024 #41
Hear, hear. 👏👏👏 n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2024 #17
Yes. Right-wing working class people will suffer, but the Trump media empire will deflect the blame Intractable Nov 2024 #18
I agree in principle Prairie Gates Nov 2024 #21
Now if they'll end income taxes on my... The Madcap Nov 2024 #37
Stepping aside wildflowergardener Nov 2024 #22
I will be collateral damage. I get the sentiment but at 77, I don't have time to recover from their mess Deuxcents Nov 2024 #26
You won the internet today! Omnipresent Nov 2024 #35
Well, with republicans in charge of everything how can we really help them this time? TBF Nov 2024 #28
At least we will see it coming. They won't. Demobrat Nov 2024 #29
I am 2 years from retirement. CousinIT Nov 2024 #30
I hear you. I'm retired and if I sell my house, I have no where to go Deuxcents Nov 2024 #52
Democrats have been the clean-up crew while being blamed for Republican messes for far too long dlk Nov 2024 #31
If the Dems pull back though, The Madcap Nov 2024 #39
I don't work for justice because it coddles people. I do it because it's the right thing to do. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #32
NO Skittles Nov 2024 #33
Let it burn Coexist Nov 2024 #34
I like the concept of a plan ya got there (I really do) but ya got some nasty fallout involved. dameatball Nov 2024 #46
"These are all things Americans want. Let's give it to them." You think we have a choice? Martin68 Nov 2024 #40
I completely agree and for my sanity I will stand down mountain grammy Nov 2024 #43
Tom Nichols had a great Article in the Atlantic Daily Marigold Nov 2024 #56
We'd be punishing the people that voted for Kamala, too HereForTheParty Nov 2024 #47
Up? Down? Looks to me it doesn't matter where we stand, sit, or keel over anymore 0rganism Nov 2024 #49
DING! FirstLight Nov 2024 #55
It's a valid point flamingdem Nov 2024 #50
I feel exactly the same way Pototan Nov 2024 #53
Timothy Snyder's first two lessons on fighting tyranny FemDemERA Nov 2024 #54
After thinking thru your excellent OP, I agree up to a point PortTack Nov 2024 #57
No BlueSpot Nov 2024 #58
If we could make it happen only for Trump voters DFW Nov 2024 #59
Yeah, let the GOP own the House and Senate IzzaNuDay Nov 2024 #60
Then, what would be the purpose of a Democratic Party? kentuck Nov 2024 #61
Right now I am leaning towards this view JI7 Nov 2024 #62
it is hard to care about people LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #63
Sad to say, but no more shielding nt XanaDUer2 Nov 2024 #64
Time for some tough love? Ruby the Liberal Nov 2024 #65
You say stand down as if there's a choice. Oakenshield Nov 2024 #66
The public at large has phenomenally short memories. Sparkly Nov 2024 #67
Silly response. The fact is that the only mistake that Democrats made Persondem Nov 2024 #68
So you want the Dems to go full Keyzer Sose? sir pball Nov 2024 #70
Yeah? And how many vunerable groups you claim to care about that will be even more injured, or worse because you want... electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #71
Excellent OP. I agree with it 100%. beaglelover Nov 2024 #72
And what about the millions of fine Americans who didin't fall for his BS and voted for Kamala? totodeinhere Nov 2024 #74
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