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Mon Nov 11, 2024, 06:57 PM

Nov 11

Especially for listening through empathy and trying to understand vs reflexively taking it personal and being defensive (the victim)

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a woman whose anger needs to be paid attention to [View all] DonCoquixote Nov 11 OP

Thank you for adding more blame and recriminations to those of us who fought as hard as we could and are hlthe2b Nov 11 #1

Unfortunately wryter2000 Nov 11 #2

NO WHITE WOMAN (other than trolls) on DU DID and this blame is divisive as hell. hlthe2b Nov 11 #4

The speaker is not addressing DU wryter2000 Nov 11 #5

It is a divisive post for a group on DU at a time when ALL WOMEN are being targeted by MAGA. That you defend hlthe2b Nov 11 #8

The OP chose to focus on the top of the video JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #15

It is patronizing to defend this. Shame on you. All women on DU are hurting and this blame misogyny is WRONG. hlthe2b Nov 11 #21

I'm not patronizing you JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #24

You most certainly ARE! hlthe2b Nov 11 #29

See - what you are doing? JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #31

I am not attacking any black woman, nor would I. DID you even read the OP subject line? Good gawd hlthe2b Nov 11 #36

You did JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #43

I reread one longer post of yours to me where you clearly put blame on the OP so I feel that I misinterpreted hlthe2b Nov 11 #53

Thank you JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #56

I agree with you on this--totally. hlthe2b Nov 11 #59

I am not labeling myself either. I clearly am what I am every moment of my being, easily seen, LizBeth Nov 11 #111

the problem with your response is.... Odious justice Nov 12 #288

And if we are talking about white women as a group. LisaL Nov 11 #26

Uh, no. happy feet Nov 11 #132

I just found the AP data, and both Biden and Harris both received 46% of white women's votes. LauraInLA Nov 11 #180

Then why is it posted here? LisaL Nov 11 #10

Ask the OP JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #46

The OP is giving one woman space to express her true feelings. ariadne0614 Nov 11 #81

The OP isn't giving her a "space." LisaL Nov 11 #87

I meant that the OP gave her space on DU, a place that should be safe. ariadne0614 Nov 11 #151

"She" hasn't been given space on DU - her video has Mossfern Nov 11 #168

It's showing a different opinion of some Black Women who feel incredibly betrayed.... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #184

White women were betrayed too Mossfern Nov 11 #186

Of couse, we as white women have been betrayed by the majority of our "fellow" white women... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #189

Yes, I know Mossfern Nov 11 #194

Since you worked in Social Services I'd guess you'd have certain educational background to get an initial at least... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #198

You don't feel betrayed by women who voted for Trump? Mossfern Nov 11 #199

What on earth gives you that idea? Of course I feel Extremely Disgusted... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #200

Of course you feel betrayed Mossfern Nov 11 #203

Like I said she's in extra pain, and lashing out blanketly. As for the... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #205

My issue is.....Why bring that here? Mossfern Nov 12 #256

Joy Reid said the same soandso Nov 12 #216

I object to the view of the woman in the video wnylib Nov 11 #190

part of unity DonCoquixote Nov 12 #219

If I as a white woman found out any of my white friends voted for drumphf... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #234

The woman in the video has already decided wnylib Nov 12 #254

I am angry at Latino men DonCoquixote Nov 12 #262

She's feeling extremely betrayed, people can lash out in a general way under these conditions... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #231

I'm feeling betrayed, too. I am not lashing out wnylib Nov 12 #257

She's addressing White women who "wear blue bracelets" mchill Nov 12 #279

You know how we can differentiate white women who voted for Trump vs Kamala Harris? Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #19

What if it is a trick by MAGA JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #48

I thought the poster above was being sacastic about the blue bracelets.... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #230

Well, the video starts out by criticizing white women for wearing those blue bracelets. Patton French Nov 11 #67

And what's your point? It's just their opinion. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #70

My point is that the video is not directed to white women Trump voters, as some have suggested. Patton French Nov 11 #74

Okay, and I agree with you. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #80

You can take a bracelet off Red Mountain Nov 11 #92

Yes, the Right has made it easier for black Americans to recognize political friendlies. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #109

"They don't realize the isolation that many of us find us in." 1WorldHope Nov 11 #126

They have each other. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #128

I may have misread your comment. 1WorldHope Nov 11 #134

I respect that she had an opinion, but are you saying that we're suppose to respond by NOT buying the bracelets for our Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #145

I'm really not focusing on the bracelet. 1WorldHope Nov 11 #158

Understood and agree, Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #163

Since Black women carry the additional scourge of racism, it's understandible for her to feel more betrayed thinking.. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #232

Yes, that was understood. Baitball Blogger Nov 12 #293

Yes, really. Hi happy feet Nov 11 #131

Hi. 1WorldHope Nov 11 #165

As someone who lives in mostly blue NYC when election results are particularly onerous and you are few in the Dem... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #292

Anyone can wear a blue bracelet-- even the MAGA IzzaNuDay Nov 11 #105

Obviously, one must be cautious about these things. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #114

It's my understanding wryter2000 Nov 11 #112

Donald Trump has won the majority of white women voters for the third straight time. Even after destroying abortion ri Fullduplexxx Nov 11 #34

Which is an improvement over the share of Biden's and Clinton's votes. LisaL Nov 11 #49

Not true. happy feet Nov 11 #133

Which is why imho the woman in the vid feels so much more betrayed now... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #235

It's just more crap and divisiveness Meowmee Nov 11 #83

I have a blue bracelet for something else wryter2000 Nov 11 #3

Is this how we win elections? Elmotime Nov 11 #6

Exactly. How the hell is this appropriate when we are all (but especially women) dealing with this horrific outcome? hlthe2b Nov 11 #11

Elmotime? JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #28

My kids grew up on PBS Elmotime Nov 11 #65

Any group that voted for Orange Bastard in the majority is to blame for the fucking messy shit we are in. SoFlaBro Nov 11 #7

Then blame men. LisaL Nov 11 #9

I do. SoFlaBro Nov 11 #18

I do too DonCoquixote Nov 11 #84

Which, imho, is why she feels extra betrayed. She thought, hoped more white women would turn against drumphf electric_blue68 Nov 12 #233

Me too... I am so fuckin pissed, flabbergasted and outraged. I have posted a flip off on FB to ALL LizBeth Nov 12 #265

Yep Meowmee Nov 11 #101

Perhaps bc we expect better from women ie empathy? electric_blue68 Nov 11 #169

Perhaps because Meowmee Nov 11 #171

I certainly don't excuse misogynist and racist white men. electric_blue68 Nov 11 #176

Good 😀 Meowmee Nov 11 #177

I would sayt any PERSON Mossfern Nov 11 #12

I agree and it is the root of divisiveness and hatred of the other karynnj Nov 11 #37

Blaming groups in their entirety is wrong karynnj Nov 11 #35

Actually, I believe she would own figuring out how to be part of the solution-as always happy feet Nov 11 #136

Every single individual who voted for It, or for Jill Stein, or who just stayed home Crunchy Frog Nov 12 #290

2 minutes and 26 seconds in JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #13

Deleted HowlingWulf Nov 11 #69

Dear Identity Politics, please stop! You're not helping. jalan48 Nov 11 #14

Tell that to Dearborn Michigan JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #16

i wonder what they will say when Jared Kushner and Bibi agree to Kushner leading the redevelopment of Gaza Takket Nov 11 #44

They'll JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #52

Apparently it is fine to continue the misogyny on DU--targeting the very women who are clearly NOT to blame. hlthe2b Nov 11 #22

It's a about keeping the identity groups squabbling among themselves. Don't Look Up! jalan48 Nov 11 #27

A loss for Kamala Harris, was not just a loss for the black community. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #17

As far as I can tell, Harris actually did better with white women than Biden. LisaL Nov 11 #20

Better than Biden OR Clinton FBaggins Nov 11 #30

Her support with white women improved compared to both Biden and Clinton pinkstarburst Nov 11 #33

You keep repeating this untruth happy feet Nov 11 #137

They both got 46% of white women's vote, according to Pew and AP. LauraInLA Nov 11 #191

Is there some reason that any of us should care whether or not she's "done"? FBaggins Nov 11 #23

The poster is showing one kind of opinion as uncomfortable as it might feel... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #236

Yes... and I'm criticizing that ridiculous opinion FBaggins Nov 12 #240

STOP the MISOGYNY DIVISIVE BLAME ON DU to Donquixote for the OP and all defending the posting. hlthe2b Nov 11 #25

One thing this loss should give us pause to thing about pinkstarburst Nov 11 #32

Agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct Nov 11 #39

Please tell me what these groups want Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #51

Anybody that fucking voted for that Orange Bastard can fucking kick rocks regardless of demographic. SoFlaBro Nov 11 #113

Your trying to get us both kicked off Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #115

Kicked off of what? Voting for that fucking turd is antithetical to electing Democrats. SoFlaBro Nov 11 #117

I tread carefully Keepthesoulalive Nov 12 #255

thank you DonCoquixote Nov 11 #89

Rest assured that I won't beg for a solitary vote TheKentuckian Nov 12 #227

You poked the hornets nest . Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #38

Again ALL women are under direct attack ALL. Your intent to divide won't work. THe women DO stand together hlthe2b Nov 11 #40

I am not attempting to divide Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #55

Read my first post on the top of the thread if you reallly care to understand. hlthe2b Nov 11 #57

I do understand Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #66

The OP posted an attack. It was not intended as a constructiive discussion of "how do we reach the group that hlthe2b Nov 11 #71

Why should I ? these other groups who voted Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #77

Apparently women on DU are not even allowed to defend ourselves. hlthe2b Nov 11 #78

I don't see how you were personally attacked? happy feet Nov 11 #138

The women of DU have been. You need to read the entire thread. hlthe2b Nov 11 #139

I differ happy feet Nov 11 #142

'Always those who will defend.. hlthe2b Nov 11 #147

However..... Mossfern Nov 11 #121

I have seen the video on YouTube and I gave it the consideration it deserved Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #127

Well... Right now she's feeling immense pain, probably fearing what may come down the pike...in time she might change... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #174

The question is Mossfern Nov 11 #183

Imho, of course All Women, AND Black Women have another nasty to deadly layers of experiences thenselves, relatives... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #187

Just a minor question... Mossfern Nov 11 #188

Bc I said "And Black Women have another layer of" terrible experiences to deal with. electric_blue68 Nov 11 #197

But I guess that is where my argument lays. I agree there is a greater with black women. LizBeth Nov 11 #209

Native American women probably have it even worse in certain ways electric_blue68 Nov 12 #239

Statistically Native American has it worse in ALL ways... lowest on the rung. LizBeth Nov 12 #264

Agreed. And it is uncomfortable pretty much all around. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #237

Terribly so. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #238

If they take us all back to 1800, whose shoes do you want to be in? TheKentuckian Nov 12 #228

White MEN. Does anyone think otherwise? hlthe2b Nov 12 #242

Divide and Conquer continues DooverBeliever Nov 11 #41

Agree about divide and conquer Ndp5 Nov 11 #62

Please don't tell women what to do. Groundhawg Nov 11 #42

Please don't leave out the latino males... stillcool Nov 11 #45

The video didn't tell any men what to do, only women. Groundhawg Nov 11 #68

I took offense to only blaming white women stillcool Nov 11 #156

Color doesn't matter when I say we have no right to tell women what to do. Groundhawg Nov 11 #193

wow yall if it don't apply then let it fly lol WhiskeyGrinder Nov 11 #47

Her glasses look stupid KT2000 Nov 11 #50

Ad hominem? Really? Duncan Grant Nov 11 #54

I'm confused. Did you not watch the video or do you not know what the term means? FBaggins Nov 11 #64

Seems like an attack on a personal attribute, not her argument, imho. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #72

That describes both the post you replied to and the OP FBaggins Nov 11 #75

"Entering black spaces to center yourself..." Duncan Grant Nov 11 #82

The space being her youtube channel? LisaL Nov 11 #98

Uh... i don't think so? Black women have been the most consistent Democratic voting block, with a large (but) minority electric_blue68 Nov 12 #246

"Largest" and "most consistent" are different measures FBaggins Nov 12 #252

Going for a personal attack on her glasses instead of addressing the issues? IzzaNuDay Nov 11 #146

OK. the issue KT2000 Nov 11 #160

She's copying Nina Turner Polybius Nov 11 #167

Really? Picking on her glasses, too?. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #241

A few people got KT2000 Nov 12 #267

Not helpful. Divisive. brush Nov 11 #58

It is all women and girls being attacked and dying. Insulted and dismissed. LizBeth Nov 11 #60

It IS the grief of every non-Magat woman who voted for Kamala. And Black Women have the extra pain of racism which was electric_blue68 Nov 12 #243

Black has won the presidency. Woman has not. LizBeth Nov 12 #266

It might be a combination - for what ever reason electric_blue68 Nov 12 #294

A black was hired. A woman has never been hired and the choice was pretty clear. LizBeth Nov 12 #298

Might want to give the obligatory "Not all X" disclaimer, given white fragility. Lancero Nov 11 #61

*Fragility* is a defensive response. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #63

So, a group already under misogynistic atttack dares to complain and you decide to mansplain to us? hlthe2b Nov 11 #73

Wow. We're going nowhere faster now. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #76

So, your behavior being called out is something you just can't handle. Not surprised. hlthe2b Nov 11 #79

I can handle it just fine. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #85

So you are telling women to sit down/shut up/learn about misogyny? LizBeth Nov 11 #86

A male accusing a woman on DU as being "entitled and privileged" as he accuses us of "fragility" for complaining hlthe2b Nov 11 #90

Fragility. Defensiveness. Trivializing the video. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #93

Your voice is apparently the only one you think matters--enough that you mansplain to every woman on this thread hlthe2b Nov 11 #95

He didn 't mansplain to me. I agree with him. happy feet Nov 11 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Nov 11 #143

Well hlthe2b Nov 11 #144

Wow! Mossfern Nov 11 #103

It's also divisive Fullduplexxx Nov 11 #152

I agree with the other poster this is no time to mansplain us!!! berkerly6240 Nov 11 #196

I'm speaking in this thread as I do any other, regardless of gender. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #201

**Source: Robin DiAngelo, "White Fragility" (a woman author who's not mansplainin')** Duncan Grant Nov 11 #207

I am a white woman and ashamed Marigold Nov 11 #88

this DonCoquixote Nov 11 #96

Harris would have been the first woman president representing all women. LizBeth Nov 11 #106

Thank-you happy feet Nov 11 #141

Beautifully said GrapesOfWrath Nov 11 #153

With you. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 11 #161

This white woman agrees w you. It feels like Extra betrayal! electric_blue68 Nov 12 #244

Well, the regressive right GenThePerservering Nov 11 #91

I can only assume this was the intent of the OP who posted and ran. hlthe2b Nov 11 #94

no it was not DonCoquixote Nov 11 #100

As we likely won't be even able to vote in 2028, LisaL Nov 11 #102

Well that is certainly the result. I thought I knew you. hlthe2b Nov 11 #104

why? DonCoquixote Nov 11 #108

Yes. But as you see if you read down the thread, at least one is accusing the women of DU of being "entitled and hlthe2b Nov 11 #122

Accusing *you* of acting entitled and privileged. Not women of DU. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #130

Accusing ANY woman of being entitled and privileged/fragile for not putting up with the attacks/misogyny? hlthe2b Nov 11 #135

Emotions don't win arguments. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #150

You can take your misogynistic mansplaining to the women of DU and travel to the right wing websites more hlthe2b Nov 11 #154

You're not the women of DU and you don't speak for them. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #170

Yet YOU think you can speak as a man for all women, tell them what to do and think and deride them continually. hlthe2b Nov 11 #172

I speak for myself. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #175

It would appear you speak for misogynists everywhere. Even if it is just your kneejerk response... hlthe2b Nov 12 #247

See post #150 and #207. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #269

Here is the only one you need. Read, rinse, repeat, read again. Ponder. hlthe2b Nov 12 #270

#150, #207 rinse, repeat... Duncan Grant Nov 12 #271

You could learn an immense amount from the example of DUer Dennis Donnovan. You won't. But you should. Rinse, repeat]. hlthe2b Nov 12 #272

#150, #207, thank you. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #273

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.... Get some original material, will you? hlthe2b Nov 12 #274

#150, #207, thank you. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #275

Learn from your betters and maybe learn to write for yourself. Rinse, repeat, again and again. Thank YOU. hlthe2b Nov 12 #276

#150, #207, thank you. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #277

Did you hire someone to mansplain for you? Thank them for me too, but no thanks hlthe2b Nov 12 #278

#150, #207, thank you. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #280

Pitiful. Can't even write your own messages now. Lost the art of "mansplaining, eh?" hlthe2b Nov 12 #281

#150, #207, thank you. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #282

Very good article. Knew a fair amount of the history, and two things were new to me. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #297

I tend to agree w you. This is how some Black Women are feeling right now, maybe for a long time. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #250

I change the name DonCoquixote Nov 11 #116

I credit you that, thank you, but you need to indicate in the OP what the original name was to explain the reactions... hlthe2b Nov 11 #119

I'm very confused, what did it say?? kerry-is-my-prez Nov 11 #202

You are not going to win this battle Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #110

Who is "they" in your statement? nt 2 Meow Momma Nov 11 #120

Right.. Women "can't understand." Good gawd is there any limit to your misogyny? hlthe2b Nov 11 #124

Soooo... Ummm Texasgal Nov 11 #162

I have put the op Meowmee Nov 11 #107

I won't be wearing a blue bracelet Quiet Em Nov 11 #97

THE FLORIDA MODEL NATION-WIDE Nimble_Idea Nov 11 #99

This is just one person expressing how she feels... appmanga Nov 11 #118

This election was not about a first black woman loss. A black man already won, twice. LizBeth Nov 11 #123

Based on many of the comments, IzzaNuDay Nov 11 #125

if not for the hate I got on this thread DonCoquixote Nov 12 #215

What divisive drivel. Zeitghost Nov 11 #129

Really? Read my comment #125 IzzaNuDay Nov 11 #148

Yes really. Zeitghost Nov 11 #149

Your post was a two fold insult. Again being told to sit down stfu and learn about misogyny.... LizBeth Nov 11 #155

You've already proven the consultant's point (peace before truth) IzzaNuDay Nov 11 #173

I was pointing out YOUR flaws in argument not the video. Pretty lame throwing LizBeth Nov 11 #206

Why are YOU so determined to divide women? WHY? How does that help us for the continuing fight? hlthe2b Nov 12 #248

Forget it Jake, it's DUtown. Abolishinist Nov 11 #208

it neeed to be discussed DonCoquixote Nov 12 #218

I've seen worse things on the internet. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 11 #157

It was the title of the thread which has since been (recently) edited. You missed the entire reason for the hlthe2b Nov 11 #159

It's quite worrying that there's a pretty good number of black women kerry-is-my-prez Nov 11 #192

For the current recent experience Black women are feeling incredibly betrayed... Pain can lash out in a very... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #178

Thanks for this.... Blue_Tires Nov 11 #164

Horrendous video Polybius Nov 11 #166

Right now it's bc Black Women are feeling incredibly betrayed. electric_blue68 Nov 11 #179

I totally understand that Polybius Nov 11 #182

She's in TOO Much Pain to hear them right now. Might change her mind in the future electric_blue68 Nov 11 #185

But really, arent we all. Arent ALL us women in the same very same, exactly same LizBeth Nov 12 #210

Yes, and maybe no. We (except for Magat women) feel the loss of Kamala 's potential Presidency!... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #212

Well yes, all women do get poorer medical LizBeth Nov 12 #213

Yup, unfortunately. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #221

ALL women who fought for Harris-Walz feel incredibly betrayed by those women who did NOT. Can you not appreciate hlthe2b Nov 12 #245

It's a passive aggressive racist tirade soandso Nov 12 #223

Can black women be racist toward white women? Duncan Grant Nov 12 #224

Anyone can be a racist soandso Nov 12 #226

The definition of racism I grew up w is that it was part of a system... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #258

I can't add anything new to electric_blue68's response (#258). Duncan Grant Nov 12 #268

Why would anyone in du specifically go into a person post LizBeth Nov 12 #287

Because, if one says a black woman is offering a "passive aggressive racist tirade"... Duncan Grant Nov 12 #289

You are not correct again, so I am going to assume you think that little of the women on LizBeth Nov 12 #291

You seem to be implying that they can't FBaggins Nov 12 #249

Here's why: WhiskeyGrinder Nov 12 #261

Well said. notroot Nov 12 #286

"Brown People" Zeitghost Nov 11 #181

She proved a point by some of the reactions I see nini Nov 11 #204

anti hispanic racism? DonCoquixote Nov 12 #214

I'm not sure how else to classify Zeitghost Nov 12 #217

Why is this discussion now going on in another thread? https://www.democraticunderground.com/118770750 LauraInLA Nov 11 #195

Because it's relevant to that forum? Duncan Grant Nov 12 #220

There's diversity walk, lessons on white fragility, when did you notice a difference Keepthesoulalive Nov 12 #222

Yo, LaurainLA, I did it, I own it, and you want to know why? IzzaNuDay Nov 12 #225

I was curious why you discontinued a discussion you started here and moved it to another forum. I found it interesting. LauraInLA Nov 12 #285

I cross posted it, is that a problem? IzzaNuDay Nov 12 #296

No, it's not a problem. You asked me why I asked about it, and I answered you. LauraInLA Nov 13 #302

Bull FUCKING shit FHRRK Nov 12 #211

Post removed Post removed Nov 12 #229

We all hurt. But, some folks here are responding coffeenap Nov 12 #251

She is blaming all white women, even the ones who voted for Harris. LisaL Nov 12 #253

Each of us sees what we see. Wishing strength for all of us.🌷 coffeenap Nov 12 #259

Perhaps Keepthesoulalive Nov 12 #260

"constant recalibration" A quite apt phase. Having to judge most, or all situations maybe particularly dealing white... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #299

Change the title all you want. usedtobedemgurl Nov 12 #263

An apt observation in my opinion... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #300

i understand. , but...... rampartd Nov 12 #283

This seems helpful. Crunchy Frog Nov 12 #284

The blue bracelets are supposed show as white women they voted for Harris, not drumphf electric_blue68 Nov 12 #301

I wear blue bracelets in hope and solidarity. likesmountains 52 Nov 12 #295

To Female and/or Non Wealthy Trump Supporters: Marcuse Nov 14 #303