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electric_blue68

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179. Right now it's bc Black Women are feeling incredibly betrayed.

Mon Nov 11, 2024, 10:00 PM

Nov 11

Pain can lash out all over.
It's uncomfortable to be on the receiveing end.
I'm almost sure; excepting for Black Women Socially Conservative on Choice that they may have expected more white women to have voted for Kamala because of the Choice issue!

In time she might be open again to converse w white women. Or not.

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a woman whose anger needs to be paid attention to [View all] DonCoquixote Nov 11 OP

Thank you for adding more blame and recriminations to those of us who fought as hard as we could and are hlthe2b Nov 11 #1

Unfortunately wryter2000 Nov 11 #2

NO WHITE WOMAN (other than trolls) on DU DID and this blame is divisive as hell. hlthe2b Nov 11 #4

The speaker is not addressing DU wryter2000 Nov 11 #5

It is a divisive post for a group on DU at a time when ALL WOMEN are being targeted by MAGA. That you defend hlthe2b Nov 11 #8

The OP chose to focus on the top of the video JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #15

It is patronizing to defend this. Shame on you. All women on DU are hurting and this blame misogyny is WRONG. hlthe2b Nov 11 #21

I'm not patronizing you JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #24

You most certainly ARE! hlthe2b Nov 11 #29

See - what you are doing? JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #31

I am not attacking any black woman, nor would I. DID you even read the OP subject line? Good gawd hlthe2b Nov 11 #36

You did JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #43

I reread one longer post of yours to me where you clearly put blame on the OP so I feel that I misinterpreted hlthe2b Nov 11 #53

Thank you JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #56

I agree with you on this--totally. hlthe2b Nov 11 #59

I am not labeling myself either. I clearly am what I am every moment of my being, easily seen, LizBeth Nov 11 #111

the problem with your response is.... Odious justice Nov 12 #288

And if we are talking about white women as a group. LisaL Nov 11 #26

Uh, no. happy feet Nov 11 #132

I just found the AP data, and both Biden and Harris both received 46% of white women's votes. LauraInLA Nov 11 #180

Then why is it posted here? LisaL Nov 11 #10

Ask the OP JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #46

The OP is giving one woman space to express her true feelings. ariadne0614 Nov 11 #81

The OP isn't giving her a "space." LisaL Nov 11 #87

I meant that the OP gave her space on DU, a place that should be safe. ariadne0614 Nov 11 #151

"She" hasn't been given space on DU - her video has Mossfern Nov 11 #168

It's showing a different opinion of some Black Women who feel incredibly betrayed.... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #184

White women were betrayed too Mossfern Nov 11 #186

Of couse, we as white women have been betrayed by the majority of our "fellow" white women... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #189

Yes, I know Mossfern Nov 11 #194

Since you worked in Social Services I'd guess you'd have certain educational background to get an initial at least... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #198

You don't feel betrayed by women who voted for Trump? Mossfern Nov 11 #199

What on earth gives you that idea? Of course I feel Extremely Disgusted... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #200

Of course you feel betrayed Mossfern Nov 11 #203

Like I said she's in extra pain, and lashing out blanketly. As for the... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #205

My issue is.....Why bring that here? Mossfern Nov 12 #256

Joy Reid said the same soandso Nov 12 #216

I object to the view of the woman in the video wnylib Nov 11 #190

part of unity DonCoquixote Nov 12 #219

If I as a white woman found out any of my white friends voted for drumphf... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #234

The woman in the video has already decided wnylib Nov 12 #254

I am angry at Latino men DonCoquixote Nov 12 #262

She's feeling extremely betrayed, people can lash out in a general way under these conditions... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #231

I'm feeling betrayed, too. I am not lashing out wnylib Nov 12 #257

She's addressing White women who "wear blue bracelets" mchill Nov 12 #279

You know how we can differentiate white women who voted for Trump vs Kamala Harris? Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #19

What if it is a trick by MAGA JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #48

I thought the poster above was being sacastic about the blue bracelets.... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #230

Well, the video starts out by criticizing white women for wearing those blue bracelets. Patton French Nov 11 #67

And what's your point? It's just their opinion. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #70

My point is that the video is not directed to white women Trump voters, as some have suggested. Patton French Nov 11 #74

Okay, and I agree with you. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #80

You can take a bracelet off Red Mountain Nov 11 #92

Yes, the Right has made it easier for black Americans to recognize political friendlies. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #109

"They don't realize the isolation that many of us find us in." 1WorldHope Nov 11 #126

They have each other. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #128

I may have misread your comment. 1WorldHope Nov 11 #134

I respect that she had an opinion, but are you saying that we're suppose to respond by NOT buying the bracelets for our Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #145

I'm really not focusing on the bracelet. 1WorldHope Nov 11 #158

Understood and agree, Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #163

Since Black women carry the additional scourge of racism, it's understandible for her to feel more betrayed thinking.. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #232

Yes, that was understood. Baitball Blogger Nov 12 #293

Yes, really. Hi happy feet Nov 11 #131

Hi. 1WorldHope Nov 11 #165

As someone who lives in mostly blue NYC when election results are particularly onerous and you are few in the Dem... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #292

Anyone can wear a blue bracelet-- even the MAGA IzzaNuDay Nov 11 #105

Obviously, one must be cautious about these things. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #114

It's my understanding wryter2000 Nov 11 #112

Donald Trump has won the majority of white women voters for the third straight time. Even after destroying abortion ri Fullduplexxx Nov 11 #34

Which is an improvement over the share of Biden's and Clinton's votes. LisaL Nov 11 #49

Not true. happy feet Nov 11 #133

Which is why imho the woman in the vid feels so much more betrayed now... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #235

It's just more crap and divisiveness Meowmee Nov 11 #83

I have a blue bracelet for something else wryter2000 Nov 11 #3

Is this how we win elections? Elmotime Nov 11 #6

Exactly. How the hell is this appropriate when we are all (but especially women) dealing with this horrific outcome? hlthe2b Nov 11 #11

Elmotime? JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #28

My kids grew up on PBS Elmotime Nov 11 #65

Any group that voted for Orange Bastard in the majority is to blame for the fucking messy shit we are in. SoFlaBro Nov 11 #7

Then blame men. LisaL Nov 11 #9

I do. SoFlaBro Nov 11 #18

I do too DonCoquixote Nov 11 #84

Which, imho, is why she feels extra betrayed. She thought, hoped more white women would turn against drumphf electric_blue68 Nov 12 #233

Me too... I am so fuckin pissed, flabbergasted and outraged. I have posted a flip off on FB to ALL LizBeth Nov 12 #265

Yep Meowmee Nov 11 #101

Perhaps bc we expect better from women ie empathy? electric_blue68 Nov 11 #169

Perhaps because Meowmee Nov 11 #171

I certainly don't excuse misogynist and racist white men. electric_blue68 Nov 11 #176

Good 😀 Meowmee Nov 11 #177

I would sayt any PERSON Mossfern Nov 11 #12

I agree and it is the root of divisiveness and hatred of the other karynnj Nov 11 #37

Blaming groups in their entirety is wrong karynnj Nov 11 #35

Actually, I believe she would own figuring out how to be part of the solution-as always happy feet Nov 11 #136

Every single individual who voted for It, or for Jill Stein, or who just stayed home Crunchy Frog Nov 12 #290

2 minutes and 26 seconds in JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #13

Deleted HowlingWulf Nov 11 #69

Dear Identity Politics, please stop! You're not helping. jalan48 Nov 11 #14

Tell that to Dearborn Michigan JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #16

i wonder what they will say when Jared Kushner and Bibi agree to Kushner leading the redevelopment of Gaza Takket Nov 11 #44

They'll JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #52

Apparently it is fine to continue the misogyny on DU--targeting the very women who are clearly NOT to blame. hlthe2b Nov 11 #22

It's a about keeping the identity groups squabbling among themselves. Don't Look Up! jalan48 Nov 11 #27

A loss for Kamala Harris, was not just a loss for the black community. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #17

As far as I can tell, Harris actually did better with white women than Biden. LisaL Nov 11 #20

Better than Biden OR Clinton FBaggins Nov 11 #30

Her support with white women improved compared to both Biden and Clinton pinkstarburst Nov 11 #33

You keep repeating this untruth happy feet Nov 11 #137

They both got 46% of white women's vote, according to Pew and AP. LauraInLA Nov 11 #191

Is there some reason that any of us should care whether or not she's "done"? FBaggins Nov 11 #23

The poster is showing one kind of opinion as uncomfortable as it might feel... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #236

Yes... and I'm criticizing that ridiculous opinion FBaggins Nov 12 #240

STOP the MISOGYNY DIVISIVE BLAME ON DU to Donquixote for the OP and all defending the posting. hlthe2b Nov 11 #25

One thing this loss should give us pause to thing about pinkstarburst Nov 11 #32

Agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct Nov 11 #39

Please tell me what these groups want Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #51

Anybody that fucking voted for that Orange Bastard can fucking kick rocks regardless of demographic. SoFlaBro Nov 11 #113

Your trying to get us both kicked off Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #115

Kicked off of what? Voting for that fucking turd is antithetical to electing Democrats. SoFlaBro Nov 11 #117

I tread carefully Keepthesoulalive Nov 12 #255

thank you DonCoquixote Nov 11 #89

Rest assured that I won't beg for a solitary vote TheKentuckian Nov 12 #227

You poked the hornets nest . Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #38

Again ALL women are under direct attack ALL. Your intent to divide won't work. THe women DO stand together hlthe2b Nov 11 #40

I am not attempting to divide Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #55

Read my first post on the top of the thread if you reallly care to understand. hlthe2b Nov 11 #57

I do understand Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #66

The OP posted an attack. It was not intended as a constructiive discussion of "how do we reach the group that hlthe2b Nov 11 #71

Why should I ? these other groups who voted Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #77

Apparently women on DU are not even allowed to defend ourselves. hlthe2b Nov 11 #78

I don't see how you were personally attacked? happy feet Nov 11 #138

The women of DU have been. You need to read the entire thread. hlthe2b Nov 11 #139

I differ happy feet Nov 11 #142

'Always those who will defend.. hlthe2b Nov 11 #147

However..... Mossfern Nov 11 #121

I have seen the video on YouTube and I gave it the consideration it deserved Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #127

Well... Right now she's feeling immense pain, probably fearing what may come down the pike...in time she might change... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #174

The question is Mossfern Nov 11 #183

Imho, of course All Women, AND Black Women have another nasty to deadly layers of experiences thenselves, relatives... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #187

Just a minor question... Mossfern Nov 11 #188

Bc I said "And Black Women have another layer of" terrible experiences to deal with. electric_blue68 Nov 11 #197

But I guess that is where my argument lays. I agree there is a greater with black women. LizBeth Nov 11 #209

Native American women probably have it even worse in certain ways electric_blue68 Nov 12 #239

Statistically Native American has it worse in ALL ways... lowest on the rung. LizBeth Nov 12 #264

Agreed. And it is uncomfortable pretty much all around. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #237

Terribly so. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #238

If they take us all back to 1800, whose shoes do you want to be in? TheKentuckian Nov 12 #228

White MEN. Does anyone think otherwise? hlthe2b Nov 12 #242

Divide and Conquer continues DooverBeliever Nov 11 #41

Agree about divide and conquer Ndp5 Nov 11 #62

Please don't tell women what to do. Groundhawg Nov 11 #42

Please don't leave out the latino males... stillcool Nov 11 #45

The video didn't tell any men what to do, only women. Groundhawg Nov 11 #68

I took offense to only blaming white women stillcool Nov 11 #156

Color doesn't matter when I say we have no right to tell women what to do. Groundhawg Nov 11 #193

wow yall if it don't apply then let it fly lol WhiskeyGrinder Nov 11 #47

Her glasses look stupid KT2000 Nov 11 #50

Ad hominem? Really? Duncan Grant Nov 11 #54

I'm confused. Did you not watch the video or do you not know what the term means? FBaggins Nov 11 #64

Seems like an attack on a personal attribute, not her argument, imho. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #72

That describes both the post you replied to and the OP FBaggins Nov 11 #75

"Entering black spaces to center yourself..." Duncan Grant Nov 11 #82

The space being her youtube channel? LisaL Nov 11 #98

Uh... i don't think so? Black women have been the most consistent Democratic voting block, with a large (but) minority electric_blue68 Nov 12 #246

"Largest" and "most consistent" are different measures FBaggins Nov 12 #252

Going for a personal attack on her glasses instead of addressing the issues? IzzaNuDay Nov 11 #146

OK. the issue KT2000 Nov 11 #160

She's copying Nina Turner Polybius Nov 11 #167

Really? Picking on her glasses, too?. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #241

A few people got KT2000 Nov 12 #267

Not helpful. Divisive. brush Nov 11 #58

It is all women and girls being attacked and dying. Insulted and dismissed. LizBeth Nov 11 #60

It IS the grief of every non-Magat woman who voted for Kamala. And Black Women have the extra pain of racism which was electric_blue68 Nov 12 #243

Black has won the presidency. Woman has not. LizBeth Nov 12 #266

It might be a combination - for what ever reason electric_blue68 Nov 12 #294

A black was hired. A woman has never been hired and the choice was pretty clear. LizBeth Nov 12 #298

Might want to give the obligatory "Not all X" disclaimer, given white fragility. Lancero Nov 11 #61

*Fragility* is a defensive response. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #63

So, a group already under misogynistic atttack dares to complain and you decide to mansplain to us? hlthe2b Nov 11 #73

Wow. We're going nowhere faster now. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #76

So, your behavior being called out is something you just can't handle. Not surprised. hlthe2b Nov 11 #79

I can handle it just fine. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #85

So you are telling women to sit down/shut up/learn about misogyny? LizBeth Nov 11 #86

A male accusing a woman on DU as being "entitled and privileged" as he accuses us of "fragility" for complaining hlthe2b Nov 11 #90

Fragility. Defensiveness. Trivializing the video. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #93

Your voice is apparently the only one you think matters--enough that you mansplain to every woman on this thread hlthe2b Nov 11 #95

He didn 't mansplain to me. I agree with him. happy feet Nov 11 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Nov 11 #143

Well hlthe2b Nov 11 #144

Wow! Mossfern Nov 11 #103

It's also divisive Fullduplexxx Nov 11 #152

I agree with the other poster this is no time to mansplain us!!! berkerly6240 Nov 11 #196

I'm speaking in this thread as I do any other, regardless of gender. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #201

**Source: Robin DiAngelo, "White Fragility" (a woman author who's not mansplainin')** Duncan Grant Nov 11 #207

I am a white woman and ashamed Marigold Nov 11 #88

this DonCoquixote Nov 11 #96

Harris would have been the first woman president representing all women. LizBeth Nov 11 #106

Thank-you happy feet Nov 11 #141

Beautifully said GrapesOfWrath Nov 11 #153

With you. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 11 #161

This white woman agrees w you. It feels like Extra betrayal! electric_blue68 Nov 12 #244

Well, the regressive right GenThePerservering Nov 11 #91

I can only assume this was the intent of the OP who posted and ran. hlthe2b Nov 11 #94

no it was not DonCoquixote Nov 11 #100

As we likely won't be even able to vote in 2028, LisaL Nov 11 #102

Well that is certainly the result. I thought I knew you. hlthe2b Nov 11 #104

why? DonCoquixote Nov 11 #108

Yes. But as you see if you read down the thread, at least one is accusing the women of DU of being "entitled and hlthe2b Nov 11 #122

Accusing *you* of acting entitled and privileged. Not women of DU. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #130

Accusing ANY woman of being entitled and privileged/fragile for not putting up with the attacks/misogyny? hlthe2b Nov 11 #135

Emotions don't win arguments. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #150

You can take your misogynistic mansplaining to the women of DU and travel to the right wing websites more hlthe2b Nov 11 #154

You're not the women of DU and you don't speak for them. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #170

Yet YOU think you can speak as a man for all women, tell them what to do and think and deride them continually. hlthe2b Nov 11 #172

I speak for myself. Duncan Grant Nov 11 #175

It would appear you speak for misogynists everywhere. Even if it is just your kneejerk response... hlthe2b Nov 12 #247

See post #150 and #207. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #269

Here is the only one you need. Read, rinse, repeat, read again. Ponder. hlthe2b Nov 12 #270

#150, #207 rinse, repeat... Duncan Grant Nov 12 #271

You could learn an immense amount from the example of DUer Dennis Donnovan. You won't. But you should. Rinse, repeat]. hlthe2b Nov 12 #272

#150, #207, thank you. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #273

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.... Get some original material, will you? hlthe2b Nov 12 #274

#150, #207, thank you. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #275

Learn from your betters and maybe learn to write for yourself. Rinse, repeat, again and again. Thank YOU. hlthe2b Nov 12 #276

#150, #207, thank you. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #277

Did you hire someone to mansplain for you? Thank them for me too, but no thanks hlthe2b Nov 12 #278

#150, #207, thank you. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #280

Pitiful. Can't even write your own messages now. Lost the art of "mansplaining, eh?" hlthe2b Nov 12 #281

#150, #207, thank you. Duncan Grant Nov 12 #282

Very good article. Knew a fair amount of the history, and two things were new to me. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #297

I tend to agree w you. This is how some Black Women are feeling right now, maybe for a long time. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #250

I change the name DonCoquixote Nov 11 #116

I credit you that, thank you, but you need to indicate in the OP what the original name was to explain the reactions... hlthe2b Nov 11 #119

I'm very confused, what did it say?? kerry-is-my-prez Nov 11 #202

You are not going to win this battle Keepthesoulalive Nov 11 #110

Who is "they" in your statement? nt 2 Meow Momma Nov 11 #120

Right.. Women "can't understand." Good gawd is there any limit to your misogyny? hlthe2b Nov 11 #124

Soooo... Ummm Texasgal Nov 11 #162

I have put the op Meowmee Nov 11 #107

I won't be wearing a blue bracelet Quiet Em Nov 11 #97

THE FLORIDA MODEL NATION-WIDE Nimble_Idea Nov 11 #99

This is just one person expressing how she feels... appmanga Nov 11 #118

This election was not about a first black woman loss. A black man already won, twice. LizBeth Nov 11 #123

Based on many of the comments, IzzaNuDay Nov 11 #125

if not for the hate I got on this thread DonCoquixote Nov 12 #215

What divisive drivel. Zeitghost Nov 11 #129

Really? Read my comment #125 IzzaNuDay Nov 11 #148

Yes really. Zeitghost Nov 11 #149

Your post was a two fold insult. Again being told to sit down stfu and learn about misogyny.... LizBeth Nov 11 #155

You've already proven the consultant's point (peace before truth) IzzaNuDay Nov 11 #173

I was pointing out YOUR flaws in argument not the video. Pretty lame throwing LizBeth Nov 11 #206

Why are YOU so determined to divide women? WHY? How does that help us for the continuing fight? hlthe2b Nov 12 #248

Forget it Jake, it's DUtown. Abolishinist Nov 11 #208

it neeed to be discussed DonCoquixote Nov 12 #218

I've seen worse things on the internet. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 11 #157

It was the title of the thread which has since been (recently) edited. You missed the entire reason for the hlthe2b Nov 11 #159

It's quite worrying that there's a pretty good number of black women kerry-is-my-prez Nov 11 #192

For the current recent experience Black women are feeling incredibly betrayed... Pain can lash out in a very... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #178

Thanks for this.... Blue_Tires Nov 11 #164

Horrendous video Polybius Nov 11 #166

Right now it's bc Black Women are feeling incredibly betrayed. electric_blue68 Nov 11 #179

I totally understand that Polybius Nov 11 #182

She's in TOO Much Pain to hear them right now. Might change her mind in the future electric_blue68 Nov 11 #185

But really, arent we all. Arent ALL us women in the same very same, exactly same LizBeth Nov 12 #210

Yes, and maybe no. We (except for Magat women) feel the loss of Kamala 's potential Presidency!... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #212

Well yes, all women do get poorer medical LizBeth Nov 12 #213

Yup, unfortunately. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #221

ALL women who fought for Harris-Walz feel incredibly betrayed by those women who did NOT. Can you not appreciate hlthe2b Nov 12 #245

It's a passive aggressive racist tirade soandso Nov 12 #223

Can black women be racist toward white women? Duncan Grant Nov 12 #224

Anyone can be a racist soandso Nov 12 #226

The definition of racism I grew up w is that it was part of a system... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #258

I can't add anything new to electric_blue68's response (#258). Duncan Grant Nov 12 #268

Why would anyone in du specifically go into a person post LizBeth Nov 12 #287

Because, if one says a black woman is offering a "passive aggressive racist tirade"... Duncan Grant Nov 12 #289

You are not correct again, so I am going to assume you think that little of the women on LizBeth Nov 12 #291

You seem to be implying that they can't FBaggins Nov 12 #249

Here's why: WhiskeyGrinder Nov 12 #261

Well said. notroot Nov 12 #286

"Brown People" Zeitghost Nov 11 #181

She proved a point by some of the reactions I see nini Nov 11 #204

anti hispanic racism? DonCoquixote Nov 12 #214

I'm not sure how else to classify Zeitghost Nov 12 #217

Why is this discussion now going on in another thread? https://www.democraticunderground.com/118770750 LauraInLA Nov 11 #195

Because it's relevant to that forum? Duncan Grant Nov 12 #220

There's diversity walk, lessons on white fragility, when did you notice a difference Keepthesoulalive Nov 12 #222

Yo, LaurainLA, I did it, I own it, and you want to know why? IzzaNuDay Nov 12 #225

I was curious why you discontinued a discussion you started here and moved it to another forum. I found it interesting. LauraInLA Nov 12 #285

I cross posted it, is that a problem? IzzaNuDay Nov 12 #296

No, it's not a problem. You asked me why I asked about it, and I answered you. LauraInLA Nov 13 #302

Bull FUCKING shit FHRRK Nov 12 #211

Post removed Post removed Nov 12 #229

We all hurt. But, some folks here are responding coffeenap Nov 12 #251

She is blaming all white women, even the ones who voted for Harris. LisaL Nov 12 #253

Each of us sees what we see. Wishing strength for all of us.🌷 coffeenap Nov 12 #259

Perhaps Keepthesoulalive Nov 12 #260

"constant recalibration" A quite apt phase. Having to judge most, or all situations maybe particularly dealing white... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #299

Change the title all you want. usedtobedemgurl Nov 12 #263

An apt observation in my opinion... electric_blue68 Nov 12 #300

i understand. , but...... rampartd Nov 12 #283

This seems helpful. Crunchy Frog Nov 12 #284

The blue bracelets are supposed show as white women they voted for Harris, not drumphf electric_blue68 Nov 12 #301

I wear blue bracelets in hope and solidarity. likesmountains 52 Nov 12 #295

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