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SunSeeker

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65. That is a bullshit RW talking point. Shoplifting absolutely has consequences in CA.

Wed Nov 13, 2024, 02:22 PM

Nov 13

Right now theft of anything over $950 is a felony and anything under $950 is a misdemeanor. You can still get 6 months jail for a misdemeanor. I sat on a jury last year here in Southern California for a misdemeanor criminal case and we convicted the guy.

Also, we just passed a ballot initiative on Nov. 5 that makes shoplifting less than $950 a felony if you have priors. https://apnews.com/article/california-ballot-propositions-2024-election-7e6c94f6d4d1f5660af1e4f326bd03ff

Same with your other accusations. Homelessness is a problem everywhere in the country, especially in expensive rent places like CA. Newsom is clearing out homeless encampments, resulting in criticism by housing advprior. I guess for Newsom, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. Newsom does not support reparations. That is not even a possibility in CA. Newsom officially apologized for slavery, but refused other measures. https://calmatters.org/politics/capitol/2024/09/california-reparations-slavery-apology/

Gangs are no more of a problem here than anywhere is. Violent crime is way down in CA. The violent crime rate was 511 per 100,000 in 2023, less than half the 1992 peak of 1,104.
https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/crime-in-california-remains-well-below-historical-peaks/#:~:text=The%20violent%20crime%20rate%20was,at%20historic%20lows%20in%20California. 1992 also happened to be the last time we had a REPUBLICAN governor (Pete Wilson).

It absolutely sucks that we are losing the messaging war so bad that even Dems on DU believe the right wing lies--and amplify them here on DU. Shameful.

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Democrats Are Hopeful For A 2028 Run From Gavin Newsom [View all] SunSeeker Nov 13 OP

Good gawd, Huffpo. What an offensive headline. hlthe2b Nov 13 #1

You're right. SunSeeker Nov 13 #2

... hlthe2b Nov 13 #4

naive to assume there will be a next election ShepKat Nov 13 #3

We can't assume anything, but we must fight. SunSeeker Nov 13 #5

Yes. The game of thrones need to be much more sophisticated. msfiddlestix Nov 13 #64

Trump's appointment of the Fox sycophant to be Secretary of Defense has a specific purpose. Lonestarblue Nov 13 #28

it's ridiculous to assume otherwise. Groundhawg Sunday #101

Sure if he can win a primary In It to Win It Nov 13 #6

he'll already have enough votes ShepKat Nov 13 #44

Will This Country Survive Until Then? MrWowWow Nov 13 #7

I think he has a lot of the same weaknesses as Harris. I'd prefer someone like Whitmer, Shapiro, or Fetterman tritsofme Nov 13 #8

I really like Whitmer. SunSeeker Nov 13 #9

One thing ill give him is he is very rhetorically gifted ColinC Nov 13 #13

How to lose JustAnotherGen Nov 13 #15

So which Dem could win? SunSeeker Nov 13 #17

I don't buy that for a second. Whitmer is just a better candidate, by leaps and bounds. tritsofme Nov 13 #21

We rejected a white woman in '16 and a WOC in '24. Millions voted down ballot and left the top blank. PortTack Nov 13 #54

And every other year we didn't win, it was a white man who was rejected. tritsofme Nov 13 #61

I'm not sure about that. LogDog75 Nov 13 #62

Their candidate will be JD Vance. subterranean Monday #107

Whitmer is out Bettie Nov 13 #19

Nah, I reject this line of thinking. Harris was a poor candidate in a tough cycle. tritsofme Nov 13 #22

Twice we have run women Bettie Nov 13 #24

Biden probably would have lost worse in 2024. tritsofme Nov 13 #30

Well, since we're unlikely to have another Bettie Nov 13 #33

Oh please. tritsofme Nov 13 #40

I dont think she was a bad candidate, just she we was a she and black. nt doc03 Nov 13 #38

She was polling in the single digits Zeitghost Nov 13 #73

Hillary won the popular vote. toesonthenose Nov 13 #91

He's way more charismatic Polybius Nov 13 #49

He Has None RobinA Nov 13 #68

Whitmer berksdem Nov 13 #69

Fetterman? Alephy Nov 13 #83

That is pure nonsense. tritsofme Nov 14 #94

Your suggestions are nonsense Alephy Nov 14 #98

Nope Alephy Nov 13 #84

Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. tritsofme Nov 14 #95

Lol Alephy Nov 14 #97

He didn't say anything wrong Keepthesoulalive Sunday #104

Of those three, only Shapiro has a chance pinkstarburst Monday #111

He has no chance whatsoever. N/T valleyrogue Nov 13 #10

I'd have to agree, judging by the reaction here to HuffPo's article. nt SunSeeker Nov 13 #14

A "coastal elite" isn't going to win Horse with no Name Nov 13 #11

Trump was a "coastal elite" doubleplusgood Nov 13 #57

I saw Gov. Andy Beshear wrote an Op-Ed in the NYT.. Ars Longa Nov 13 #75

I have seen a lot of him since the election. From what I heard he seems to think doc03 Sunday #106

He has positive qualities for sure angrychair Monday #109

Nonononononono ColinC Nov 13 #12

His approval in California is low. Passages Nov 13 #16

Newsom has work to do in California before running for President LogDog75 Nov 13 #60

He easily survived the recall. Reports of his demise are greatly exaggerated. onecaliberal Nov 13 #76

He's charismatic, but is he electable? EnergizedLib Nov 13 #18

Doesn't matter who we run Johnny2X2X Nov 13 #20

As a Californian, I'm grateful Newsom has been our Governor, but he's not the candidate for President following TSF msfiddlestix Nov 13 #23

I don't believe it was rigged. Elessar Zappa Nov 13 #46

Right. Several days ago I read a data point that indicated 40% of Ca voters, voted for TSF msfiddlestix Nov 13 #63

I don't think he would have a chance. Emile Nov 13 #25

I doubt there will be a midterm gab13by13 Nov 13 #26

Will it matter? Happy Hoosier Nov 13 #27

He may be a great governor for California but middle America doc03 Nov 13 #29

Media is running this elite coastal bull kansasobama Nov 13 #32

I have been there, it is beautiful state with friedly people but its politics are too liberal doc03 Nov 13 #36

That is a bullshit RW talking point. Shoplifting absolutely has consequences in CA. SunSeeker Nov 13 #65

Just saying that is the first thing people outside of California think doc03 Nov 13 #70

No, that's not what you were "just saying." Infuriating how much the right wing lies have infiltrated here. SunSeeker Nov 13 #72

The last three times we have lost Zeitghost Nov 13 #47

If we dont get a grip on overpowering the right's propaganda machine oldmanlynn Nov 13 #31

That would have been very hard to do, with the First Amendment. Mariana Nov 13 #86

Might as well just nominate Vance The Revolution Nov 13 #34

The GOP trashed Kamala Harris, who hadn't been involved in CA statewide politics in years, valleyrogue Nov 13 #35

Agreed Ndp5 Nov 13 #82

A famous California liberal might win the primary, but not the general dalton99a Nov 13 #37

... Crepuscular Nov 13 #39

Yes, unfortunately Fetterman is very unhealthy kansasobama Nov 13 #45

Pass mr715 Nov 13 #41

I agree, Beshear would be a great candidate Luciferous Nov 13 #87

Yeah mr715 Nov 13 #90

Wes Moore. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 13 #42

The only way to victory is through the rustbelt...this election clearly showed that. Demsrule86 Nov 13 #43

At this time, I don't see how any Democratic candidate would do any differently than either Biden or Kamala. Yavin4 Nov 13 #48

I'd honestly rather not. Tommy Carcetti Nov 13 #50

The country has rejected 2 women.....sadly neither of those two can win...gotta pick someone who can PortTack Nov 13 #56

Wwwwwwwaaaaaayyyyyy too soon Raven123 Nov 13 #51

No, it is time to get the best of our best in front of the nation. Between 6-12 candidates w/4 years for voters to see. SoFlaBro Nov 13 #59

To start campaigning, of course, way too soon. Xolodno Nov 13 #85

California Dems, maybe bigtree Nov 13 #52

Wait, so we didn't lose because VP Harris mcar Nov 13 #53

I Don't Know Which I Trust Less, Elections Or The People In This Country SoCalDavidS Nov 13 #55

I'm sticking with my own personal theory here... fairfaxvadem Nov 13 #58

America doesn't like Dems from coastal states...not since Kennedy. Wanderlust988 Nov 13 #66

His ex is now a Trump. Ursus Rex Nov 13 #67

I'm sure Newsom, Shapiro, and Beshear will be running for the nomination, among others. DavidDvorkin Nov 13 #71

For those who are thinking what is good for Blue Wall kansasobama Nov 13 #74

If not possible after fascists outlaw elections then maybe president of the country Westcoastia yaesu Nov 13 #77

he was a top pick for me too BUT ecstatic Nov 13 #78

Why? julmur Nov 13 #79

Still processing 2024. I'll pass on any candidate for now. Hassler Nov 13 #80

Quit please. Civilized elections don't start four years out. LakeArenal Nov 13 #81

No more annointings please ThePartyThatListens Nov 13 #88

No, America saturated in right wing propaganda is what got us here. SunSeeker Nov 14 #92

TBH I have to agree with ThePartyThatListens above, BlueGenes Nov 14 #93

Biden always said he was going to be a transition president, and picked Kamala as his VP for that reason. SunSeeker Nov 14 #96

Message auto-removed Name removed Sunday #99

I don't have to tell myself anything. It's on video. Where were you in 2020?! SunSeeker Sunday #102

I like Newsom Blue_Tires Nov 13 #89

Californian here... I'm not sure he can sell it in the Rust belt. Or the Carolinas. WarGamer Sunday #100

I will support our candidate in 4 years.But I will not even think about it for 2 years Tribetime Sunday #103

No gay texan Sunday #105

It's early, I realize, but: Janbdwl72 Monday #108

Hard Pass krawhitham Monday #110

I think someone like Walz makes more sense. Emile Monday #112