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Bettie

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72. Okay, we get it....you want the Democratic party

Sat Nov 16, 2024, 11:35 AM

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to focus exclusively on the grievances of straight white men.

But, basic math: 45% is fewer than 55%. But sure, it's all the women's fault. You seem really invested in denigrating women.

And the non-white people, and the non-male people, and "the gays" and everyone except straight white men, they must be held blameless for everything in all circumstances.

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45% of women voted for Trump. Yet, folks here are blaming men for Kamala's loss? [View all] PeaceWave Nov 15 OP

Lazy journalism using grossly oversimplified gender stats Fiendish Thingy Nov 15 #1

I took a Rutgers-Eagleton class on Woman & Politics and a solid 45% of women voted paternalistic since 1974. TheBlackAdder Nov 15 #12

Thank you for this response. It goes to what I'm getting at. How do we change this pattern? PeaceWave Nov 15 #14

It seems to be an immovable object. TheBlackAdder Nov 15 #17

And yet the data for subgroups of women shows otherwise Fiendish Thingy Nov 15 #34

45% is STILL a minority.. whathehell Saturday #89

Yes, but one that is offset by the larger gender bias men have towards women. TheBlackAdder Saturday #91

I read somewhere that Trump grabbed 55% of the male vote. taxi Nov 15 #2

Yes ... barely. AlanAdam Saturday #48

There is also the weird perception mr715 Nov 15 #3

Are we all on gender teams now? Ilikepurple Nov 15 #4

Really a lot of sexism in that article. travelingthrulife Saturday #65

The content of the op is simply the op's opinion, not the BBC writers'. spooky3 Sunday #116

Yes, how dare people blame men for Trump winning Wiz Imp Nov 15 #5

It's misogynistic to point out that fewer women voted for Kamala than men for Trump? PeaceWave Nov 15 #6

Are you serious? Wiz Imp Nov 15 #18

If by "this person" you are referring to me, I am not "twisting myself in knots" to do anything other than... PeaceWave Nov 15 #19

Why are you blaming women rather than focusing on this FACT? spooky3 Nov 15 #29

Okay, I'll bite. UniqueUserName Saturday #60

"they valued White privilege over women's issues" GreenEyedLefty Sunday #110

What? That statement is incorrect. yardwork Saturday #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Saturday #54

Been a lot of that blaming shit going on lately... Wounded Bear Nov 15 #7

And yet, somehow, the candidate or the campaign team or the party elites and all of their decisions Seeking Serenity Nov 15 #8

I guess we don't want to win back any voters we lost to Trump SunImp Nov 15 #13

Come up with some meaningful strategies to do that and I'm right there with you... Wounded Bear Nov 15 #15

No, I'm saying the same thing SunImp Nov 15 #16

Run a middle-aged white straight protestant man Scrivener7 Saturday #82

Sadly, that's what we'll have to do. Thankfully, there are a few of them out there... Wounded Bear Saturday #92

Doesn't have to be white or Protestant GreenEyedLefty Sunday #111

I disagree. What we are seeing is contagious. Scrivener7 Sunday #112

I agree with this but my point was GreenEyedLefty Sunday #113

Definitely. Breaks my damn heart. Scrivener7 Sunday #114

I'd guess we do want to win back those voters.. whathehell Saturday #93

Yeah, but this is among the most moronic. Scrivener7 Saturday #80

Sickening and outdated stereotypes Walleye Saturday #90

If tRump is who men identify with...... ProudMNDemocrat Nov 15 #9

Again, 45% of women identified with Trump. My question is why? PeaceWave Nov 15 #10

Lack of self esteem perhaps? ProudMNDemocrat Nov 15 #11

misogyny is actually pretty prevalent with women Takket Nov 15 #21

Like all oppressed groups, women tend to internalize whathehell Saturday #55

Same as many of the factors associated with men's voting for him spooky3 Nov 15 #31

Their preachers told them to... Hope22 Saturday #51

very easy answer recovering_democrat Saturday #86

Oblivious to face-eating leopards perhaps? Zambero Saturday #87

Yes. I'm blaming men. Quiet Em Nov 15 #20

Because those guys are a holes. We get that. But, it's akin to... PeaceWave Nov 15 #22

Trump supporters and his campaign made it very clear that this was a movement against women Quiet Em Nov 15 #23

And, it doesn't deeply concern you that 45% of women STILL voted for Trump? PeaceWave Nov 15 #24

Of course I am. Quiet Em Nov 15 #25

Without discounting the existence of mental abuse that absolutely does exist... PeaceWave Nov 15 #28

No. It's not a reach. Quiet Em Nov 15 #30

An additional 2% of all the Men in every racial whathehell Monday #121

I don't get how "out of fear" works, they can vote for whoever & tell hubby the voted for the orangutang, right? EX500rider Saturday #66

Never mind wryter2000 Nov 15 #26

Women shop at grocery stores more than men at140 Nov 15 #27

Every woman in my extended family is the primary shopper. All voted for Kamala. PeaceWave Nov 15 #33

Your extended family is not representative of all women at140 Saturday #35

My Mom is an immigrant from Guatemala. Feel free to tell me more about my family. PeaceWave Saturday #36

Who said all Guatemalans are poor? at140 Saturday #75

Mass deportations and insane tariffs have a zero percent chance of not increasing food prices TheKentuckian Saturday #69

Where did you read I was offering tariffs as a solution? at140 Saturday #78

That was the alternative so I don't see any room for excuses. TheKentuckian Saturday #84

As we're hauled off to the gulag we'll be seen screaming at each other, "It's your fault!!!" jalan48 Nov 15 #32

One thing I know for sure Meowmee Saturday #39

I don't care for the blame games either Quiet Em Saturday #41

What's hard to understand? DiamondShark Saturday #37

" Instead, they describe never ending competition over every little personal detail and a tendency Quiet Em Saturday #38

This is what has been related to me by women both in their personal lives and in their corporate jobs. PeaceWave Saturday #44

Seriously? Quiet Em Saturday #47

Are you suggesting that female rivalry in the workplace isn't a thing? Or just ignoring it. PeaceWave Saturday #50

You need to make better female friends. yardwork Saturday #67

I'm straight, and I have found the same. Scrivener7 Saturday #83

I know! It's almost unbelievable. yardwork Saturday #88

It's a quote. DiamondShark Saturday #57

this is such bullshit. nt GenThePerservering Saturday #63

It's a quote from OP. DiamondShark Saturday #73

Have you ever heard of Internalized Misandry'? whathehell Saturday #76

I quoted OP and asked a question. DiamondShark Sunday #108

I replied to your question whathehell Sunday #109

It was sarcasm. I was +1 K&R PeaceWave's OP DiamondShark Sunday #115

Sure, whatever.. whathehell Sunday #119

Not my fault, your sarcasm detector is broken. DiamondShark Monday #123

There's a lot of blame to go around. BannonsLiver Saturday #40

It's mostly White xtian voters who are a larger group than others JI7 Saturday #42

At the end of the day, the question is this... PeaceWave Saturday #43

The last Democrat to win a majority of the white vote (men and women)? Dem4life1970 Saturday #45

Why are you bringing up race? This thread is addressing gender voting issues. PeaceWave Saturday #46

Numbers within the numbers..... marmar Saturday #64

Just being real, as I said. Dem4life1970 Saturday #105

45% of WHITE women with little or no college education tenderfoot Saturday #49

Compared to 69% of White MEN with little to no whathehell Saturday #59

He certainly got the poorly educated WHITE vote tenderfoot Saturday #71

It would seem so, although he did, whathehell Saturday #74

Many American Women Love Трамп MrWowWow Saturday #52

More American Men than Women love Trump.. whathehell Saturday #58

92% of black women voted for Harris. ismnotwasm Saturday #53

75% of black men voted for Harris bigtree Saturday #68

Yup ismnotwasm Saturday #70

The most vocal trump supporters I've met have been women. nt RandiFan1290 Saturday #56

Because more men than women voted Trump Ndp5 Saturday #61

Okay, we get it....you want the Democratic party Bettie Saturday #72

white women, to be precise. And white men. CousinIT Saturday #77

Oh, FFS. Scrivener7 Saturday #79

Hate and social media and ignorance trumps. So many people voting for Trump LizBeth Saturday #81

They are not finished counting ballots Farmer-Rick Saturday #85

Math that up. AkFemDem Saturday #94

Also- I love my women friends AkFemDem Saturday #95

Can you believe this shit? Next they'll be saying we're upset because our wombs are moving around. Scrivener7 Saturday #97

Maybe the reasons women vote for Trump and the reasons men do are not the same. milestogo Saturday #96

Sorry, but this guy is explicitly blaming women for Trump's win Wiz Imp Saturday #98

Wrong. I'm asking folks to be accountable, rather than simply blame one demographic group. PeaceWave Saturday #100

Your quote is a rimshot. Sorry. nt GenThePerservering Saturday #102

I blame all the blociheads who didn't vote against Trump. Ping Tung Saturday #99

Anybody notice that there are a lot threads lately masquerading as "election analysis," but which are just Scrivener7 Saturday #101

Yes, the BBC thing confused me. I think it was to find the stats? Ilikepurple Saturday #106

Yes hmmm Meowmee Monday #125

I blame everyone who didn't vote or voted for the Orange Abomination. LoisB Saturday #103

Last time I took math, back in the last millenium, 55 was more than 45. niyad Saturday #104

lol Meowmee Monday #122

" Instead, they describe never ending competition over every little personal detail and a tendency to tear each other do BlueWaveNeverEnd Saturday #107

As compared to Biden, Harris lost more men, more minorities, younger voters, and low-income voters Ms. Toad Sunday #117

How can you be content that "women held steady" when the opponent was a rapist? PeaceWave Sunday #118

I didn't say I was content. I was responding to your assertion that women, not men, are to blame. Ms. Toad Monday #124

Read my post again. Nowhere did I say that "women, not men, are to blame." PeaceWave Monday #126

What I see is a man trying to shift blame away from himself and onto women Ms. Toad Monday #128

We're at an impasse. You're willing to accept the status quo where "women hold steady." I am not. PeaceWave Monday #129

You are the one who chose the group. Ms. Toad Monday #130

Too much focus on abortion. confoosed Sunday #120

Women can be DemonGoddess Monday #127